Illegal Downloading

[Vodge]

Everything on my computer has been downloaded, even the OS.

Only paid for the laptop.

[Recursion]

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3A+piracy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&client=firefox-a

Nowhere on that page says theft or steal.

[Blinger1]

Well, that is wrong.

# Piracy the illegal duplication of copyrighted software without the permission of the software owner or publisher.

# Piracy is a robbery committed at sea, or sometimes on the shore, without a commission from a sovereign nation (robbery with sovereign commission is privateering, and distinct from piracy). ...


:rolleyes:

[Recursion]

That last point isn't software piracy... :rolleyes:

[Blinger1]

I know, I was pointing out that it implies something about theft/stealing.

# illegal copying of a product such as software or music

[Recursion]

Thats not the point :eusa_doh:

[Nick.]

Should it be allowed: no
Should ISPs have more control: no
Do people only download because they can't afford to pay: no

I only download things I wouldn't pay for anyway, for example Adobe Photoshop, I would never have the money for it, and if I did they would never have it, so I download it because either way they wouldn't be getting my money. For things that I have the money for and would buy, I buy it. Movies I buy (most of the time, sometimes I download new releases in MP4 format).

[jrh2002]

Using something for personal use instead of commercial use makes no difference.

Of course it does :s if you buy a dvd or cd for yourself thats an original from the shop its only for personal use. If you then decide to broadcast it in your shop, taxi office, cinema or anywhere else outside the home that benefits random strangers you are breaking the law. it usually tells you about this on the dvd or cd in the copyright part.

Anyway i was not on about commercial use.

If the police caught me with my copied material that never leaves my home that is for my personal use so they would either:

A) Ignore it (unless it was the reason they raided my home)
B) Take away my hard drive and caution me and then let the companies take civil action if they wanted.

If the police caught the local chinese guy who sells the dvd's around here they would charge him for the offence.

To say people who sell on copyrighted material for their own profit is the same as me having a copy i downloaded solely for me is a rediculous statement. The people who they are cracking down on are the people distributing the material for profit.

Your stance is a bit hypocritical when you broadcast your music that although maybe bought original copies but it is for personal use ONLY and not for broadcasting so you are as guilty as me if not more so in breaking copyright laws as it involves 100s of people every time you play a song.

How many dj's have actually paid for their sam broadcaster? i dont know any who have so maybe to allow them to dj they must provide you with proof they have paid for their version.

I have nothing against anybody downloading or using copies of anything but I dislike it when a number of people in this thread are telling us how bad we are but then break copyright laws themselves in one way or another.

[scottish]

Of course it does :s if you buy a dvd or cd for yourself thats an original from the shop its only for personal use. If you then decide to broadcast it in your shop, taxi office, cinema or anywhere else outside the home that benefits random strangers you are breaking the law. it usually tells you about this on the dvd or cd in the copyright part.

Anyway i was not on about commercial use.

If the police caught me with my copied material that never leaves my home that is for my personal use so they would either:

A) Ignore it (unless it was the reason they raided my home)
B) Take away my hard drive and caution me and then let the companies take civil action if they wanted.

If the police caught the local chinese guy who sells the dvd's around here they would charge him for the offence.

To say people who sell on copyrighted material for their own profit is the same as me having a copy i downloaded solely for me is a rediculous statement. The people who they are cracking down on are the people distributing the material for profit.

Your stance is a bit hypocritical when you broadcast your music that although maybe bought original copies but it is for personal use ONLY and not for broadcasting so you are as guilty as me if not more so in breaking copyright laws as it involves 100s of people every time you play a song.

How many dj's have actually paid for their sam broadcaster? i dont know any who have so maybe to allow them to dj they must provide you with proof they have a paid for their version.

I have nothing against anybody downloading or using copies of anything but I dislike it when a number of people in this thread are telling us how bad we are but then break copyright laws themselves in one way or another.

As your breaching copyright by illegally downloading the software in the first place they would take action, as would the companys your taking the software from.

If your saying "If i download a movie and watch it myself" is different from "If i download a movie and show it to my school" both ways is breaking the law, as your illegally downloading that movie in the first place.

[jrh2002]

As your breaching copyright by illegally downloading the software in the first place they would take action, as would the companys your taking the software from.

If your saying "If i download a movie and watch it myself" is different from "If i download a movie and show it to my school" both ways is breaking the law, as your illegally downloading that movie in the first place.

I was pointing out how some here are breaking the exact same laws with original material they have bought. :S i did mention buying from the shops :rolleyes:

Illegal downloading for personal use is not in the same bracket as if I downloaded, made 100 copies and went out and sold them. You may say it is but look at the criminal cases and punishments and you will struggle to see any that an individual has been charged for the offence when its for personal use only. You will however see many people who sell on copies who do get charged but they only walk away with a fine.

Me illegally downloading for personal use

or

Me downloading illegally to broadcast to others

Same offence? YES
Same punishment? NO
View the cases to see im right.

Me downloading illegally for myself is not as bad in the eyes of the law as you downloading LEGALLY and then broadcasting to others. They are both the same or similar offence but the person who is broadcasting to others they would be deemed to be worse than me.