That's enough. Down with Opera!

[HotelUser]

Is it unfair? Yes.
IE and Opera both suck anyways so it doesn't matter.
"boycotting" is ******ed. If we boycott here then we should have boycotted Microsoft when they stole the little thing I like to call the GUI. We should have boycotted Netscape in the 90s too..

[Chippiewill]

Seriously, quit whatever vendetta you're on. Opera's motive for bringing a complaint is irrelevant. If the EU/EC believe Microsoft's behaviour is actionable (as per Opera's complaint), that is a Microsoft and EU/EC issue. Opera can do nothing but express their opinion.

Stop claiming that just because the 'almighty' EU sanctioned it, that it is so important. The EU is getting all of it's information from clueless 30 year old tech people and the staff at Opera... you can hardly call it a balanced situation. Also I am allowed to have a vendetta, it is a civil liberty (Probably).

Coke Can <--- Coke | Not Pepsi
Ford Transit Van <--- Ford Engine | Not a Vauxhall Engine
Habbo <--- Habbo stuff | Not Runescape
Toshiba Laptop <--- Toshiba Motherboard | Not Dell Motherboard
Intel based Computer <--- Intel Chip-set | Not AMD Chip-set

People can put whatever the hell they want with their product, as discussed even spyware, adware, viruses e.t.c. can be uncluded and not have to include something else to make the market fair. LIFE ISN'T FAIR

@above This has nothing to do with stealing so don't even bring that up

[Barmi]

Stop claiming that just because the 'almighty' EU sanctioned it, that it is so important. The EU is getting all of it's information from clueless 30 year old tech people and the staff at Opera... you can hardly call it a balanced situation. Also I am allowed to have a vendetta, it is a civil liberty (Probably).

You've adequately demonstrated you have no idea about the legal situation. The opportunity for an informed discussion is now lost.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I do not know much about computers/these issues but it seems yet again the European Union is exercising powers nobody in Europe actually gave it constent to create. The EU is now involving itself with small issues such as these, I wouldn't even expect the USSR/Third Reich to be this bad.

Be prepared for it to get worse.

[Chippiewill]

Probably should have mentioned the ideas proposed above about the EU getting into matter unrelated to them...

[The Professor]

Time to pick apart a post!

Stop claiming that just because the 'almighty' EU sanctioned it, that it is so important. The EU is getting all of it's information from clueless 30 year old tech people and the staff at Opera... you can hardly call it a balanced situation. Also I am allowed to have a vendetta, it is a civil liberty (Probably).

The clueless 30 year old tech people have built high quality browsers for various platforms from scratch. Until you can do the same you don't really have a right to insult their knowledge. And if your argument is based on balance, I'm sure Microsoft with its billions of dollars worth of lawyers can put together a case more convincing than some "clueless 30 year old tech people" can whisper in the EUs ear, yet the clueless people won. Maybe they're less clueless than you make out?

Yes you are allowed a vendetta, but let me introduce you to the concept of rights and responsibilities. You are allowed to think whatever you like and express it in any way you see fit within the law, but if you piss people off in the process (eg. by forcing "DONT USE OPERA" into every post you make) you should expect to be challenged for it. And when you are you need slightly more defence than "I have the right to piss people off" because you'll just be laughed off the forum.

Coke Can <--- Coke | Not Pepsi
Ford Transit Van <--- Ford Engine | Not a Vauxhall Engine
Habbo <--- Habbo stuff | Not Runescape
Toshiba Laptop <--- Toshiba Motherboard | Not Dell Motherboard
Intel based Computer <--- Intel Chip-set | Not AMD Chip-set

People can put whatever the hell they want with their product, as discussed even spyware, adware, viruses e.t.c. can be uncluded and not have to include something else to make the market fair. LIFE ISN'T FAIR

Coke, Ford, Habbo, Toshiba and Intel don't have a monopoly or near-monopoly in their respective areas of business. The case isn't "you can't bundle the software you want with it", its "you can't use the near-monopoly you have on the operating system market to force your browser upon people".

@above This has nothing to do with stealing so don't even bring that up

If you have the right to a vendetta, he has the right to bring up the topic of GUI theft. Bit of a double standard there.

Probably should have mentioned the ideas proposed above about the EU getting into matter unrelated to them...

The EU are related to this problem in the same way the Police are related to a murder that happened down your street. They've been entrusted with the power to govern these competition laws (amongst other things) and when a complaint about anti-competitiveness is filed, its their responsibility to investigate and resolve it.

[Jordy]

Is it unfair? Yes.
IE and Opera both suck anyways so it doesn't matter.
"boycotting" is ******ed. If we boycott here then we should have boycotted Microsoft when they stole the little thing I like to call the GUI. We should have boycotted Netscape in the 90s too..

In that case we should also boycott Apple and Linux too. Apple may well of made the GUI popular but they simply stole it for Xerox.

It was Steve Jobs who once said this (Based on Picasso's famous quote):
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."

Microsoft are just as bad as Apple when it comes to stealing, someone needs to watch Pirates of Silicon Valley.

[Recursion]

In that case we should also boycott Apple and Linux too. Apple may well of made the GUI popular but they simply stole it for Xerox.

It was Steve Jobs who once said this (Based on Picasso's famous quote):
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."

Microsoft are just as bad as Apple when it comes to stealing, someone needs to watch Pirates of Silicon Valley.

OT: That's a good film that is.

[Wolves]

It all boils down to one thing, stuff all the political crap, it boils down to what would you rather have if you HAD A CHOICE? because that's what your gonna get, I.E, FireFox, Opera, Chrome, or Safari.

I'd choose Chrome/Safari/Firefox over I.E/Opera, and so would 90% (estimate) of everyone else.

There's nothing that anyone on this forum, and to be honest, no one in this country can do about it.

Just get used to it.

[Chippiewill]

Perhaps we should just get Opera's market share to low to be considered for the 'Choosing Screen' idea and then go ahead with it, that way we can all get FF easy... and then we can also download all the major browsers in one go