BNP

[Skajo]

You personally? i doubt you have the necessary building skills, money or ability to get apply for relevant planning permissions. Someone who did know these things could quite easily though

What was your point?

Wow, you hit the nail on the head. That was completely my point.

[alexxxxx]

there are already churches in india, so what's your point? just as there are churches in Iraq, Israel and all around the middle east.

[Muppet]

Let's bring it back on the subject of the BNP.

I think the BNP have some good policies.. For example, if you look at this from their website, this is a policy that would benefit a lot of in people in my eyes.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question

If this policy came into action, plenty of people are benefiting from it. We are benefiting because we have less immigrants, the immigrants and their original countries get a cash incentive. It's surely a win win situation? Also, you can see from the part in bold that legal immigrants in the UK aren't made to go back to their home countries. They are given the opportunity.

The BNP aren't a racist party, they are just a party afraid of losing the British culture and being overrun by illegal immigrants living in the UK.

[RandomManJay]

Let's bring it back on the subject of the BNP.

I think the BNP have some good policies.. For example, if you look at this from their website, this is a policy that would benefit a lot of in people in my eyes.

If this policy came into action, plenty of people are benefiting from it. We are benefiting because we have less immigrants, the immigrants and their original countries get a cash incentive. It's surely a win win situation? Also, you can see from the part in bold that legal immigrants in the UK aren't made to go back to their home countries. They are given the opportunity.

The BNP aren't a racist party, they are just a party afraid of losing the British culture and being overrun by illegal immigrants living in the UK.

It is a good policy for the supportes of the BNP, it suggests that the BNP is funding the opportunity to return to your country of origin, therefore one could agrue that they're paying immigrants to move back to their original country, also the funding from this would be taken entirely from foreign aid, a contribution that most of the country believes in, so instead of money going to people who could benefit from it in developing countires, it goes entirely to those who don't need it to agree to return to their home country (which you can argue is bargining).

Also the immigrants who would be given the opportunity would be the immigrants who do not completely buy into the ways and values of the british population. The BNP has not actually specified which values are accepted as typically british (considering the diversity of british beliefs), so there is no knowing if they will alter the specifications to ensure that other immigrants who have previously accepted our values will be given the opportunity and eventually leave. Also there is no knowing if the BNP will ensure this policy will not change and that people who do not agree to this acceptance of british culture and choose to stay despite the opportunity will not be removed from the country.

Although many of their policies are appealing, there is no promise that the policies will ensure that immigrants who have freely chosen to be here will remain here, also there is no knowing if they (intentionally or accidentally) will cause issues for those who do not follow the BNP's accepted british values, for example: eastern cultural beliefs, homosexuality and mixed couple interaction (each of which the BNP feels corrupts the british community beyond belief).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Cameras everywhere?
State spying on citzens?
Citzens come second?
Persecuted for your political thoughts?

No, not Nazi Germany, Soviet Union or the BNP.
Welcome to Labours' Britain.

Who are the REAL facists?

[Jordy]

Cameras everywhere?
State spying on citzens?
Citzens come second?
Persecuted for your political thoughts?

No, not Nazi Germany, Soviet Union or the BNP.
Welcome to Labours' Britain.

Who are the REAL facists?

Fascism is a strong choice of words, it's fair to say Nazi Germany were real fascists and it's possible the BNP would replicate that and the Soviet Union, although Communist at the opposite end of the political spectrum, they were pretty much fascist as their leader had complete control. Gordon Brown does not have complete control, and the Labour Party were democratically elected in 2005, the Labour Party who was put incharge by the nation then democratically elected Gordon Brown as leader of the Labour party and also PM.

I do not believe the government abuses this so called 'Big Brother' society, there's no evidence they do. Councils abused surveillance laws but nothing particularly serious. It's crucial to the security of the UK and was responsible to stopping the airline bombings a few summers ago.

Persecuted for our political thoughts? You don't actually get in trouble for going against the government and although it might not be a perfect democracy and "freedom of speech" it's quite easily one of the best in the world. Hell just look to Italy and it's riddled with corrupt, if we're fascist what about practically every other nation in the world?

Strongly disagree with you here for once.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Fascism is a strong choice of words, it's fair to say Nazi Germany were real fascists and it's possible the BNP would replicate that and the Soviet Union, although Communist at the opposite end of the political spectrum, they were pretty much fascist as their leader had complete control. Gordon Brown does not have complete control, and the Labour Party were democratically elected in 2005, the Labour Party who was put incharge by the nation then democratically elected Gordon Brown as leader of the Labour party and also PM.

I do not believe the government abuses this so called 'Big Brother' society, there's no evidence they do. Councils abused surveillance laws but nothing particularly serious. It's crucial to the security of the UK and was responsible to stopping the airline bombings a few summers ago.

Persecuted for our political thoughts? You don't actually get in trouble for going against the government and although it might not be a perfect democracy and "freedom of speech" it's quite easily one of the best in the world. Hell just look to Italy and it's riddled with corrupt, if we're fascist what about practically every other nation in the world?

Strongly disagree with you here for once.

They are strongly edging on facism, how dare they call another political party facist when they themselves have taken away civil liberties as an excuse to protect us from terrorism, they refuse to hold an open inquiry on issues such as the Iraq War which has killed thousands of people, they have placed more cameras in this country than Nazi Germany/Soviet Union ever had and have allowed/persecuted people based on their political beliefs - that to me, is facism or at least bordering on a police state. The old Labour Party would never of dreamed a future Labour government would act in this way.

Spying on people for petty reasons such as the councils did is wrong, isn't helping anyone and is a mark of a police state. Cameras everywhere don't work, they dont stop crime and they dont stop terrorism. Labours logic is that if there are cameras everywhere and everyone is made to carry a ID card, terrorists will all suddenly hang their boots and bombs up and call it a day.

Police supporters of the BNP have been sacked/suspended for being members of the British National Party, how is that fair and democratic?. In Nazi Germany that is exactly what the Nazy Party did when gaining power, banned all opposition in teaching, police and so forth.

[alexxxxx]

They are strongly edging on facism, how dare they call another political party facist when they themselves have taken away civil liberties as an excuse to protect us from terrorism, they refuse to hold an open inquiry on issues such as the Iraq War which has killed thousands of people, they have placed more cameras in this country than Nazi Germany/Soviet Union ever had and have allowed/persecuted people based on their political beliefs - that to me, is facism or at least bordering on a police state. The old Labour Party would never of dreamed a future Labour government would act in this way.

Spying on people for petty reasons such as the councils did is wrong, isn't helping anyone and is a mark of a police state. Cameras everywhere don't work, they dont stop crime and they dont stop terrorism. Labours logic is that if there are cameras everywhere and everyone is made to carry a ID card, terrorists will all suddenly hang their boots and bombs up and call it a day.

Police supporters of the BNP have been sacked/suspended for being members of the British National Party, how is that fair and democratic?. In Nazi Germany that is exactly what the Nazy Party did when gaining power, banned all opposition in teaching, police and so forth.

Mr. Undertaker is completely right, our civil liberties are being dismantled, not at a fast rate, but they are being dismantled nevertheless. And it is this government's fault, Jacqui Smith is a culprit. I persoanlly think its dreadful taht councils misuse the terrorism act. However, I think the BNP should be banned from being in public services with direct access to the public as I believe their beliefs about certain people could block them from doing their job properly.

[LuketheDuke]

Mr. Undertaker is completely right, our civil liberties are being dismantled, not at a fast rate, but they are being dismantled nevertheless. And it is this government's fault, Jacqui Smith is a culprit. I persoanlly think its dreadful taht councils misuse the terrorism act. However, I think the BNP should be banned from being in public services with direct access to the public as I believe their beliefs about certain people could block them from doing their job properly.

I agree with that, our Police Officers who represent a public service should not be part of an organisation that discriminates against minorities. I also agree that certain liberties are being eroded in society these days, however with the technology thats been developed was it inevitable that we get caught on CCTV or satillite wherever we go.

And whilst Undertaker you do say some things I agree with here, Nazi Germany please. until we're forced to dob in our neighbours for suspicious activities or being co-erced into eating a one pot meal on a sunday for the arms not butter schemes I'll think of myself as better off. Britain may not be perfect but rather here than somewhere like China.

[-:Undertaker:-]

While we are not Nazi Germany in certain ways for sure, we have things that Nazi Germany never had but certainly would of used if at their disposal, this country in modern times has never been less free than it at this point in time.

The jobs issue, it should apply to all political stances or none at all. It is not right that a BNP member would be barred from their job yet a Socialist Party member wouldn't be, even any other party. I believe everyone has a right to be a member of a political party and do their job and go about their lives without persecution from the state.

If a police officer is doing his job with no problems and is a member of the BNP/UKIP/Labour/Conservatives/etc. then he should not be persecuted for his/her beliefs - that is true democracy.