Removal of reversed infractions

[Immenseman]

That when you get warnings/infractions reversed they should be removed from your account totally. They are reversed because they are wrong and there has been an error of judgement by a (Super) Moderator. I don't mind that as much because you are able to get them reversed if they're genuinely unfair.

Since the turn of the year I have had seven reversed infractions/warning. Around like half of mine are reversed, not quit half I don't think but around that number, 40% odd.

So when a Super Moderator looks at my behaviour record they see almost 4 full pages of previous infractions that have been placed on my account. It'll be the same for everyone else, not just me. However, if all the reversed ones were removed, seeing as they are unfair I would have 2 pages and then just one on the 3rd. Which is like 2.2 rather than 3.8.

I'm not all that bothered but I don't think they should be left as black marks on our account when they were unfair in the first place. I know that moderators wouldn't take them into consideration as such but when they see 4 pages they will jump to conclusions rather than looking at the whole story, which has happened in my case and will happen with others too.

Obviously, I don't know if this can be done because if you have to go through them manually then I don't expect them to be done because that's time consuming and that time could be better spent. It isn't really detrimental on my account, I just feel that if a moderator saw a user had so many pages a decision would already be made in their head.

Just a thought really.

[mat64]

Don't they remove all expired/reversed infractions every year anyway? Plus I'd imagine that reversed infractions need to be left on record as part of evaluating the moderators that gave them?

[Immenseman]

Nope, they've cleared them out once, I think. Yeah, good point about the evaluation of moderators, how often are moderation reports produced? Surely, they could be removed after they've been written. I have a reversed infraction from January, I assume they're done more regularly than that

[lick]

Same, i received three infractions from a moderator and when i showed there manager he called them pathetic but when on holiday and Jin ended up removing them because even he could see that they were given out of hatred and not because i broke the rules

I also have a few other reversed ones from this mod and others from a few other mods i think.

I don't see the point in us been stuck with them because the moderator made a bad choice, we didn't they did.

[Nixt]

I could be wrong but I think that in order to remove reversed infractions we have to go through and manually delete each and every one. This is very time consuming however I wouldn't necessarily rule it out as I think you make a fair point. Technically reversed infractions do not count against you at all but I can understand the bias that may result from seeing 4 / 5 / 6 etc pages of Infractions when in fact only half of those are valid. However, expired warnings or infractions will remain on your profile as although they don't officially count towards any action taken against you they still need to be kept for future reference.

[lick]

I dont mind expired ones staying but i dont see why reversed ones should stay when it was proven that no rule was broken.

edit - i have 7 reversed ones, thats almost 2 pages

[Immenseman]

Same, i received three infractions from a moderator and when i showed there manager he called them pathetic but when on holiday and Jin ended up removing them because even he could see that they were given out of hatred and not because i broke the rules

I also have a few other reversed ones from this mod and others from a few other mods i think.

I don't see the point in us been stuck with them because the moderator made a bad choice, we didn't they did.

Yeah, due to others mistakes and errors in judgement we're the ones who have to put up with it for months. I know they don't make the mistakes purposefully but it is annoying for the above reasons.

I could be wrong but I think that in order to remove reversed infractions we have to go through and manually delete each and every one. This is very time consuming however I wouldn't necessarily rule it out as I think you make a fair point. Technically reversed infractions do not count against you at all but I can understand the bias that may result from seeing 4 / 5 / 6 etc pages of Infractions when in fact only half of those are valid. However, expired warnings or infractions will remain on your profile as although they don't officially count towards any action taken against you they still need to be kept for future reference.

If that is the official line then I obviously don't expect anyone to spend days doing that because I understand and respect that the time could be spent else where a lot more constructively. However, if that isn't the official line them I'm glad to see you'd be willing to look into it.

Or maybe when the SMOD reverses it they could delete it? It would be just as time consuming would it not or do they not have the power to do so? I think that would make sense though. Rather than reverse they could just delete - seeing as the infraction/warning isn't fair.

I don't expect expired ones to be removed because they are there for a reason, I didn't ask that because I know that already. I still think they should be removed after a certain time but that's a debate for another day.

[Wootzeh]

:eusa_whis

There are two main reasons reversed/old warnings aren't removed. First of all, the labor involved in removing them is well...alot. Every single one has to be deleted by hand, it took us 1-2 weeks to do it last time around, and someone had to sit deleting them.

Second of all yes they are necessary for moderator reports - mostly to see how many reversed infractions a moderator has so in fact them staying helps the community - not the moderator.

Regardless, you have to switch to another tab to see infractions anyway. So its not like it just sits there staring you in the face - its hidden away unless you want to see it.

this post may ring a bell.

[Dave,]

When I used to moderate on other forums any user that had been disciplined I'd read through their history to make sure anything I was doing was fair. Whether they'd need additional punishment or were being made staff. Any good moderator should take the time to do so otherwise things become biased.

[Yoshimitsui]

I would suggest they are kept until a reset date is made for everyone to have them wiped or a thread where users can post to have them removed, as they do have to be manually deleted one by one.

Just to add to that it can only be done by administrators.