Being born Gay

[Hazza]

NIKKEE,
I'm gay right - so if I went and had sex with a girl would I be straight?
Er no, point proven.

[NIKKEE]

NIKKEE,
I'm gay right - so if I went and had sex with a girl would I be straight?
Er no, point proven.

No because you have came out as gay. You must be completely missing my point.
I said if a guy is going out with girl then he is straight, I didn't say a guy who is gay and has a quick fling with a girl suddenly makes him straight in my eyes, but if you started seeing a girl and were going out with her for a while, then I'd probably think you had just been saying you were gay for some reason and that now you're straight.
You seem to be taking this as a personal attack. If you're really gay then good for you, I'm talking about people who have for some reason chosen to be gay, although some of you are saying no-one is gay if they choose to be gay, yet they're still living out a lifestyle for quite some time.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No because you have came out as gay. You must be completely missing my point.
I said if a guy is going out with girl then he is straight, I didn't say a guy who is gay and has a quick fling with a girl suddenly makes him straight in my eyes, but if you started seeing a girl and were going out with her for a while, then I'd probably think you had just been saying you were gay for some reason and that now you're straight.
You seem to be taking this as a personal attack. If you're really gay then good for you, I'm talking about people who have for some reason chosen to be gay, although some of you are saying no-one is gay if they choose to be gay, yet they're still living out a lifestyle for quite some time.

No but the point is and that we are making, is that they are not gay because you cannot choose to be gay - therefore they are fake, they are not gay.

..just like I cannot choose to have blue eyes, ginger hair or be a few inches taller.

[Hazza]

1) I haven't come out
2) Actually you said "whatever the guy is doing at the time" not anything to do with being in a relationship...

[NIKKEE]

No but the point is and that we are making, is that they are not gay because you cannot choose to be gay - therefore they are fake, they are not gay.

..just like I cannot choose to have blue eyes, ginger hair or be a few inches taller.

That is a completely different thing. And the point I am making is that I would call someone who is living a gay lifestyle, having regular gay sex, even if they were choosing to, I would call them gay, even if you wouldn't.

[NIKKEE]

1) I haven't come out
2) Actually you said "whatever the guy is doing at the time" not anything to do with being in a relationship...

FINE. You may not have came out, but you seem quite confident that you are gay. You're not in denial.

And by "whatever the guy is doing at the time" I mean doing for a while. If a guy had sex with a girl once and that was the end of it then who knows, I'm still talking about someone who as far as anyone knows is straight and hasn't come out, even if they are in denial. I would say they were straight at THAT time.

[Hazza]

FINE. You may not have came out, but you seem quite confident that you are gay. You're not in denial.

And by "whatever the guy is doing at the time" I mean doing for a while. If a guy had sex with a girl once and that was the end of it then who knows, I'm still talking about someone who as far as anyone knows is straight and hasn't come out, even if they are in denial. I would say they were straight at THAT time.

They are straight to us, but not straight inside - that is what we are getting at, you cannot change how you feel - you can maybe dismiss it and be in denial for the rest of your life but you're still gay whether people know or not.

[NIKKEE]

They are straight to us, but not straight inside - that is what we are getting at, you cannot change how you feel - you can maybe dismiss it and be in denial for the rest of your life but you're still gay whether people know or not.

Yup, but at the time I'd still call them straight, and even when they come out later I'd still say they were straight at that time.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That is a completely different thing. And the point I am making is that I would call someone who is living a gay lifestyle, having regular gay sex, even if they were choosing to, I would call them gay, even if you wouldn't.

If they are not attracted to other guys then they are not gay. I have already given examples of men and women who have had families, lived the lie and then came out as gay because thats what they truly were and always will be.

[Hazza]

Yup, but at the time I'd still call them straight, and even when they come out later I'd still say they were straight at that time.

But they wasn't? They've never been straight - they've pretended!