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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I do not care quite frankly what it is like back in their home country, we have enough problems of our own to be dealing with thank you very much. If they don't pay taxes, if they dont work, if they dont plan to stay and if we do not need them, then I couldn't give a damn where they go aslong as its not here.

    The points I set out earlier on in the thread are common sense, if you dont fit into that criteria then sorry, people here do not want you.



    The amazing thing is that some people here actually support unlimited and uncontrolled immigration, despite crime spewing from it, immigration is the issue and it needs controlling.
    If you're going to start charging all immigrants for education than you're going to have to start charging everyone else outside of tax for education as well, because people born and raised in England leave the country as well, and there are people born in England who don't hold jobs and pay taxes as well.

    If they're not holding a job and don't pay tax than it's the governments own fault for allowing them to become citizens. You can't just become a citizen of England over night, they don't just let anyone in. I think this debate might be more focused on who England allows to immigrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    If we do not need them then we should not educate them, as they should not be here in the first place. We have high unemployment now, and jobs are scare especially in certain areas, so we should only ever allow people we need in.
    Are you suggesting that we take away a persons right to live in a stable and more importantly safe country, just because they're not born within a certain area? I could care less if our money was going to help support families to have a better life for themselves. There's a lot worse things our tax money could be spent on.
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    If they are legal immigrants, yes, what's the problem? Most immigrants have to have a job because they don't have access to 'public funds' (that doesn't include the NHS, as that is supposedly funded by national insurance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardemax View Post
    im sorry undertaker, but i didn't realise that we shouldn't give immigrants free education if their parents are paying tax, even though, british kids get free education in the same way.

    lighten up a bit
    it's not all doom and gloom
    I have said we should give them free education if they are paying taxes, so stop trying to twist my words. I said those who do not work should not recieve free educatiln.

    Learn to read, it'd make a world of difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost View Post
    Lol it's quite unbelievable how ignorant that reply was.

    You have Stalin on your signature marked out with a cross yet this attitude ******* reminds me of him...
    I'm afraid Josef Stalin has nothing do to with immigration so stop trying to demonise me just because I think those who don't have anything to offer to this country should not be here. You are another example of if anybody doesn't agree with mass immigration they are either evil, racist or xenophobic.

    Get a grip.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotelUser View Post
    If you're going to start charging all immigrants for education than you're going to have to start charging everyone else outside of tax for education as well, because people born and raised in England leave the country as well, and there are people born in England who don't hold jobs and pay taxes as well.

    If they're not holding a job and don't pay tax than it's the governments own fault for allowing them to become citizens. You can't just become a citizen of England over night, they don't just let anyone in. I think this debate might be more focused on who England allows to immigrant.

    Are you suggesting that we take away a persons right to live in a stable and more importantly safe country, just because they're not born within a certain area? I could care less if our money was going to help support families to have a better life for themselves. There's a lot worse things our tax money could be spent on.
    I am suggesting that if we do not need them (meaning if they are criminals or do not work) then we should not have them. There are 150+ other countrys in the world that are far bigger than the United Kingdom, and are far better off in terms of their future outlook. The United Kingdom needs to stop catering for the world and think about its own people, just for once - its not too much to ask.

    Call it mean, call it selfish - well yes, because it will affect our children and their children and i'm afraid British people come first in my book.


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    Undertaker you're attitude towards immigration is disgusting. You're talking about them as if they're ILLEGAL immigrants. I'm calling you a stalinist because of this attitude. You personally disgust me and I think you're immature and naiive. I shall not waste any more of my time on you.

    And it's not that you don't agree with me, it's the fact that you're denying anyone who isn't the brightest bulb, the right to live? It's stupid, and it is in some cases racist. I'm not calling you evil I just think you're a bit pathetic and childish. You have a very ignorant view (as i can see) on today's modern studies.
    Good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost View Post
    Undertaker you're attitude towards immigration is disgusting. You're talking about them as if they're ILLEGAL immigrants. I'm calling you a stalinist because of this attitude. You personally disgust me and I think you're immature and naiive. I shall not waste any more of my time on you.

    And it's not that you don't agree with me, it's the fact that you're denying anyone who isn't the brightest bulb, the right to live? It's stupid, and it is in some cases racist. I'm not calling you evil I just think you're a bit pathetic and childish. You have a very ignorant view (as i can see) on today's modern studies.
    Good day.
    Actually, I have said that people who will work and who we need and do not have a criminal record are welcome to the United Kingdom.

    Josef Stalin has nothing to do with immigration so stop trying to link him to me over immgration, because I know you are playing the demonise card. A lot of people believe what I believe, including the Commonwealth of Austrialia so I would like to know.. is Austrialia stalinist?

    Get a grip really, and accept that just because I don't want every tom, richard and harry coming into this country doesn't mean i'm racist, xenophobic or stalinist - it means I have common sense, something you obviously lack. Instead of throwing out random remarks and then running off away from the debate, reply and face what you say.
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    @Lost

    I don't agree entirely with Dan but you're making yourself look stupid. He already addressed the issue of legal immigrants doing honest work and paying taxes, and he's not attempting to deny anyone the right to live - just the right to live HERE if they aren't giving anything back.

    Essentially the point he's making is being made in the wrong place, as he should be incinuating that the entire welfare system should be shut down for the unemployed (assuming he views all tax sponges the same) but his point is still valid to this argument. We have people here that do nothing ('sup) which can't be entirely helped, but we should at least stop the amount of people coming in who are also doing nothing. Different debate, but needed to be cleared up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Access View Post
    they should all **** off back to their own country and stop taking ours for granted.. not being racist or anything but it's beyond a joke now
    I agree with this. It's not racist to say enough is enough (I have many friends of different ethnic backgrounds and I treat people as I find them), the truth is we cant let everyone into this country because there is simply not enough room! Immigration is dragging this country down into the gutter.

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    just got back from a long break. Didn't expect this to keep on going. Anyone have any more comments on this?

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    the only thing immigrants should get free is the plane back home

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I have said we should give them free education if they are paying taxes, so stop trying to twist my words. I said those who do not work should not recieve free educatiln.

    did you receive free educatiln aswell?
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