The BNP - Good or Bad?

[-:Undertaker:-]

No there isn't, not in terms of freedom of speech. You say freedom of speech isnt freedom unless its limitless when it never should be limitless because of homophobia and racism. Denying the holocaust is just as bad as racism or homophobia, like them it directly offends people (The relatives of the murdered) and disrespects the dead. Why should 6 million murdered people be allowed to be denied when its proven in absolute fact? Global warming isn't proven in fact, neither is the big bang, feel free to deny those all you want, it isn't ruining anyones lives so thats fine.

..because freedom of speech allows people to dispute the facts, thats a democracy.

[Seatherny]

I did not say that, I said that those who do - they are the people we have a problem with, the people who we do not want.

I do know you, you are prepared to make somebodies opinion on a historical event illegal, therefore you do not value free speech, or should I say, you do, as long as it falls into line with your opinion.

Denial of a historical event and homophobia/racism are two totally different things.



Where and when have I ever said i'm against immigration?

I like how you ignore all my arguments against you. Is it because you know I am right and are unable to argue against it?

One more example, I am sure you wouldn't mind as you are in full support of freedom of speech being limitless. If I go around, rally up 1000 people, go to your street and go I HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I HATE UNDERTAKER (whatever your real name is). I HATE HIS FAMILY. I HATE WHITE PEOPLE.
I am sure you won't mind or call the police. Why should you? Its freedom of speech. I can say what I want .

[-:Undertaker:-]

I like how you ignore all my arguments against you. Is it because you know I am right and are unable to argue against it?

One more example, I am sure you wouldn't mind as you are in full support of freedom of speech being limitless. If I go around, rally up 1000 people, go to your street and go I HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I HATE UNDERTAKER (whatever your real name is). I HATE HIS FAMILY. I HATE WHITE PEOPLE.
I am sure you won't mind or call the police. Why should you? Its freedom of speech. I can say what I want .

Nick Griffin has not said he hates the holocaust victims, as I said before, there is a difference between hatred and denial of a historical event.

It is you who cannot seem to answer this simple fact - I have not ignored any of your argument, I have picked out the points and gone on and on about how an opinion on a historical event is totally different from homophobia/racism, yet you continue to ignore this and say how I apparently said all non-British people are layabouts when I never.

[Tash.]

I did not say that, I said that those who do - they are the people we have a problem with, the people who we do not want.

I do know you, you are prepared to make somebodies opinion on a historical event illegal, therefore you do not value free speech, or should I say, you do, as long as it falls into line with your opinion.

Denial of a historical event and homophobia/racism are two totally different things.



Where and when have I ever said i'm against immigration?

But do you not realise that because you don't know the statistics, the number of people who enter this country legally and go on to scam the benefits system or commit crimes, may well be a small minority of people? As I myself do not know the statistics I can't comment but it just seems ignorant to presume that immigrants are the problem.

You don't know me at all. I haven't said anywhere I want it to be illegal, I actually said I think its morally wrong for him to be allowed to deny it. You'd be hard pushed to find many people who think that it's ok for him to have this opinion. Its freedom of speech being exploited, it wasn't designed for this.

And no, they are not. Both hurt peoples feelings, both are being used to discriminate.

[Seatherny]

Nick Griffin has not said he hates the holocaust victims, as I said before, there is a difference between hatred and denial of a historical event.

It is you who cannot seem to answer this simple fact.

No, I am clearly showing why Freedom of Speech should never be limitless. It is you who fails to see this. Answer me, would you care if I did what I said in my above post? If the answer is yes (which it undoubtedly will be), then your whole argument is flawed.

[MrPinkPanther]

..because freedom of speech allows people to dispute the facts, thats a democracy.

So should I be allowed to dispute that "Homosexuals are inferior to Heterosexuals in ever way?" or "Black people are stupid?". No. Because its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they aren't. But hey, you know what, we should because thats a democracy.

In a democracy people should vote on what should be allowed or not allowed. I think you'll find that the vast majority of the British population would be for banning holocaust denial. However no sensible party would ban that from fear of criticism from the right that they were "breaking freedom of speech" which would severely damage the parties reputation.

[-:Undertaker:-]

But do you not realise that because you don't know the statistics, the number of people who enter this country legally and go on to scam the benefits system or commit crimes, may well be a small minority of people? As I myself do not know the statistics I can't comment but it just seems ignorant to presume that immigrants are the problem.

You don't know me at all. I haven't said anywhere I want it to be illegal, I actually said I think its morally wrong for him to be allowed to deny it. You'd be hard pushed to find many people who think that it's ok for him to have this opinion. Its freedom of speech being exploited, it wasn't designed for this.

And no, they are not. Both hurt peoples feelings, both are being used to discriminate.

We do not know the statistics because this government has not got any because it has no control over these borders. That is how bad the situation has got under this Labour government.

Ok then, which is it; should historial event denial be illegal?

No, I am clearly showing why Freedom of Speech should never be limitless. It is you who fails to see this. Answer me, would you care if I did what I said in my above post? If the answer is yes (which it undoubtedly will be), then your whole argument is flawed.

No I would frankly not care, I do not know you and you do not know me. This is a Habbo forum with teenagers on, and if you are going to get upset on a Habbo forum then you really are going to struggle in life aren't you.

Now, reply to what I said on the difference between denial of a historical event and homophobia/racism.

So should I be allowed to dispute that "Homosexuals are inferior to Heterosexuals in ever way?" or "Black people are stupid?". No. Because its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they aren't. But hey, you know what, we should because thats a democracy.

In a democracy people should vote on what should be allowed or not allowed. I think you'll find that the vast majority of the British population would be for banning holocaust denial. However no sensible party would ban that from fear of criticism from the right that they were "breaking freedom of speech" which would severely damage the parties reputation.

That is outright hatred, denial of the holocaust is nothing like the examples you have given.

[Seatherny]

Heyyyy! The Earth is square. Gordon Brown isnt really the prime minister of this country, I am. I am going to go to undertaker and deny any bad things which have happened in his life. If there is a funeral of his family member, I am going to go and laugh and laugh some more and deny every good thing that the person did.

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Ok the example above is extreme (and obviously I would never do such a thing), but it is exactly what Nick Griffin is doing by denying the holocaust.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Heyyyy! The Earth is square. Gordon Brown isnt really the prime minister of this country, I am. I am going to go to undertaker and deny any bad things which have happened in his life. If there is a funeral of his family member, I am going to go and laugh and laugh some more and deny every good thing that the person did.

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Ok the example above is extreme (and obviously I would never do such a thing), but it is exactly what Nick Griffin is doing by denying the holocaust.

Denial of a historical event is nothing like the examples you have given.

Reply to what I asked you to reply to.

[Tash.]

We do not know the statistics because this government has not got any because it has no control over these borders. That is how bad the situation has got under this Labour government.

Ok then, which is it; should historial event denial be illegal?



No I would frankly not care, I do not know you and you do not know me. This is a Habbo forum with teenagers on, and if you are going to get upset on a Habbo forum then you really are going to struggle in life aren't you.

Now, reply to what I said on the difference between denial of a historical event and homophobia/racism.

I'm pretty confident those statistics do exist, the situation is not as bad as you think and the government have not created it all. Immigration within the EU is not controlled by them, they have no say in it.

No, I don't think it should be illegal. I think it's morally unnacceptable. As I said before, Nick Griffin is inconsequential to me, his opinions mean zilch to me.

And seen as though you seem to think you can cast aspertions on my character, I shall on yours. If you're seriously saying you wouldn't care if someone targeted you and your family like that you're a liar.