The BNP - Good or Bad?

[Ardemax]

So it's alright for an opinion to offend someone?

So can I deny World War 2?

Can I deny that there was no such period as the "Victorians"?

It's just so obvious they didn't happen.

[Black_Apalachi]

So it's alright for an opinion to offend someone?

So can I deny World War 2?

Can I deny that there was no such period as the "Victorians"?

It's just so obvious they didn't happen.

Yes. You finally grasped it after about 20 pages of thread.

[Ardemax]

Yes. You finally grasped it after about 20 pages of thread.

Right. What you've just said to me is that im allowed to deny any historic event and broadcast it to the world.

Is this correct?

[Black_Apalachi]

Right. What you've just said to me is that im allowed to deny any historic event and broadcast it to the world.

Is this correct?

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

[MrPinkPanther]

You have just contradicted yourself before your very eyes, authoritian is supressing freedom of speech, thats what authoritian is, you know.. like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Lenin and all the other nutters?

No I haven't because "Authoritarian" is not suppression of freedom of speech, in an authoritarian regime there can be suppression of speech but that is not what it means.

"Authoritarianism is a political system controlled by nonelected rulers who usually permit some degree of individual freedom"

The jewish religion and it followers are not a race, therefore bringing racism into an argument about denial of the holocaust is diverting the subject.

You are wrong. The Jews are a race and the Nazis treated them as a racial group which is why even if they weren't Jewish by faith they were still ruthlessly murdered because they were Jewish by race. They also believed that Jews could be identified by certain physical characteristics such as a large nose. So no, racism is NOT the wrong term to use.

[Tash.]

I'm not comparing the BNP to Hitler and Mussolini, i'm comparing everyone here who wants to ban them for holocaust denial the facists, because thats part of what facism is, banning free speech. On the right/left argument, you have just proved to me how the left groups all the right (Conservatives, UKIP etc) with racism, homophobia, xenophobia to try and tarnish the right.

Ok so you're comparing me and my views to Hitler and Mussolini now? That's much better. As I have said several times, the banning of free speech is only one tiny miniscule thing that Hitler and Mussolini did. It is by no stretch of the imagination the worst thing, and it did not lead to them committing any of the atrocities they did.

The right merely sticks up for freedom of speech and freedom, thats why we allow socialist parties like Labour, Liberal Democrats and other parties to exist and operate in this country, whereas in socialist countries all Conservative aka right wing parties are banned.

The left do not try to make the right look racist, homophobic or xenophobic, i'm sorry but the groups on the far right do that all by themselves. I have no firm political standing, and yet I still think that parties such as the BNP and UKIP have what you might say are racist policies. That is my opinion on them anyway.

THAT-IS-DEMOCRACY-IN-ACTION.

There honestly was no need for you to type that part in capitals and bold either.. it's quite condescending actually. I'm aware that was democracy in action, but the point is they voted because of his racist policies. Nobody who is not racist themselves will argue that is right surely?

My policy would be that as long as you are not intructing people to go and hurt others, then yes you would be allowed to preach it. However we are not talking about the BNP in general and hate, we are talking about denial of the holocaust.

Again, that is dangerous. You're actually saying that you would allow radical muslims to preach either in person or via video link here in Britain and say that the western world is wrong and should be eradicated. This is all aslong as he does not expressly instruct them to go out and kill people? No way.

The jewish religion and it followers are not a race, therefore bringing racism into an argument about denial of the holocaust is diverting the subject.

As flyduo above has told you, Hitler himself considered the Jews to be a race. He said they had physical traits such as the nose, and personality traits such as being greedy and miserly which made them jewish. Plus this whole argument was supposed to include all aspects of the BNP so bringing racism into this is perfectly understandable seen as they are effectively a racist party.

[MrPinkPanther]

I'd also like to point out that its not only that Hitler considered them to be a race, they are a race. They are descended from Jacob and originate from the Israelites I believe (Correct me if I'm wrong).

[Ardemax]

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

But if it's homophobic or racist, I can't say it?

[Black_Apalachi]

But if it's homophobic or racist, I can't say it?

How can '??? didn't happen' ever mean 'I hate gays' or 'I hate blacks'? :S

[Ardemax]

How can '??? didn't happen' ever mean 'I hate gays' or 'I hate blacks'? :S

For this we must call on history, Black History and Gay Rights, as you may put it.

But if you're so keen on freedom of speech, how come your friend even said if it's homophobic or racist, you can't say it?