The BNP - Good or Bad?

[Seatherny]

If it is all credible and trustworthy then why can you not quote this and explain how and why UKIP are racist and homophobic. I know you've just read the full document in the past few minutes but I have read it too, and if it had any real credible backup then I myself would be questioning UKIP.

I am not UKIP forever, if they do things I disagree with I would remove my support from them, just as I have with the Conservatives under David Cameron. On the sueing part, i'm sure UKIP have better things to spend their small budget on than former federalist Labour MEPs' posting documents on the internet which have no credibility what so ever.

And how do you know I have read the whole document in the past few minutes? I haven't even opened it since the day I first linked to it. Shows how ignorant you are.
And again, I dont understand why you fail to understand it yet again, the document is clearly listing why UKIP are racist and homophobic and extremely dumb so why do I need to :S It would be me repeating what the author has written which would be a waste of my time.

We didn't say you need evidence to accuse someone, but as shown by this debate, if you don't have evidence or at least, evidence with any solid foundations then you don't have a point to put across at all.

Well you indirectly did when we debated on the holocaust and Mr. Griffins opinions. However, it obviously doesn't apply when a person accuses UKIP of something.
You seem to deny everything when its proved wrong. I remember earlier in this debate, you made a claim, and then fully contradicted it minutes later and when someone pointed it out, you made an excuse.
And you/Jordy (or both) say I cant argue or debate. I am not the one dodging questions or contradicting myself. You have read the document like you said, so you should be able to explain the quotes.

[-:Undertaker:-]

And how do you know I have read the whole document in the past few minutes? I haven't even opened it since the day I first linked to it. Shows how ignorant you are.
And again, I dont understand why you fail to understand it yet again, the document is clearly listing why UKIP are racist and homophobic and extremely dumb so why do I need to :S It would be me repeating what the author has written which would be a waste of my time.

You evidently haven't read the document fully because you are so relucant to quote from it, or provide it as any evidence to why the UK Independance Party is remotely racist or homophobic at all. It wouldn't be a waste, it would show that you yourself can think for yourself and back up your own opinions and would also put me and UKIP in the spotlight as I would be the one having to explain the quotes/evidence, not you.

Can you see where the thread has gone now? - its gone from a healthy debate about BNP/racism/UKIP to a debate about why you won't post simple quotes. It totally ruins it.

Well you indirectly did when we debated on the holocaust and Mr. Griffins opinions. However, it obviously doesn't apply when a person accuses UKIP of something.
You seem to deny everything when its proved wrong. I remember earlier in this debate, you made a claim, and then fully contradicted it minutes later and when someone pointed it out, you made an excuse.
And you/Jordy (or both) say I cant argue or debate. I am not the one dodging questions or contradicting myself. You have read the document like you said, so you should be able to explain the quotes.

I got one thing in this thread wrong, and I admitted it yeah I have no problem with it. A member posted where I had contradicted myself and hands up, I was wrong. On this however, I am not wrong. Can I ask; what questions have I dodged?

Oh and from earlier on.. where have UKIP said they will raise taxes? - oh wait you already freely admitted you made that up.

[Ardemax]

We didn't say you need evidence to accuse someone, but as shown by this debate, if you don't have evidence or at least, evidence with any solid foundations then you don't have a point to put across at all.

The holocaust deniers claim the gas chambers and so forth were built after the war when the allies landed in the camps, but this of course is rubbish and I could be debating with anyone who denied the holocaust as i'm sure would others if that did occur.

Exactly... solid evidence. So why does one stick up for those who deny it?

[Seatherny]

You evidently haven't read the document fully

Congratulations on repeating what I said. Where have I said I have read it all? If I remember correctly, it was you who said "I know you've just read the full document in the past few minutes"

[-:Undertaker:-]

Exactly... solid evidence. So why does one stick up for those who deny it?

I'm not sticking up for their opinion as Sergio said earlier, I was sticking up for their right to air their opinion.

Congratulations on repeating what I said. Where have I said I have read it all? If I remember correctly, it was you who said "I know you've just read the full document in the past few minutes"

Ok then you haven't read all the document, which again casts even more doubt on how you can call UKIP racist and homophobic.

[Seatherny]

I'm not sticking up for their opinion as Sergio said earlier, I was sticking up for their right to air their opinion.



Ok then you haven't read all the document, which again casts even more doubt on how you can call UKIP racist and homophobic.

I haven't read the whole document but I have read the main points concerning racism and how they are homophobic. The document has a contents page and I read the points which were of interest to me by going directly to the relevant pages.

And again, it is my right to say:

UKIP are going to raise taxes, make people pay for education, introduce more taxes, ban under 30's from driving. You should not question it (like you indirectly said we shouldn't question Mr. Griffin) as its my right to voice these opinions.

[Robbie]

ban under 30's from diving

What will Tom Daly do?!?!?!?!

[Seatherny]

Apologies, I meant driving not diving. But yes, UKIP will ban swimming pools why? because their leader cant swim and is jealous.

I think I have got my point across.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I haven't read the whole document but I have read the main points concerning racism and how they are homophobic. The document has a contents page and I read the points which were of interest to me by going directly to the relevant pages.

aka you saw the words racism and homophobic and latched onto it.

And again, it is my right to say:

UKIP are going to raise taxes, make people pay for education, introduce more taxes, ban under 30's from driving. You should not question it (like you indirectly said we shouldn't question Mr. Griffin) as its my right to voice these opinions.

UKIP won't raise taxes, won't make education private and i'm fairly sure they don't have a under 30's ban. Why? - because thats not their policy.

Indeed it is, your right to voice these opinions, and i'm debuckling those opinions as that is what a debate is - just like I debuckled them a few lines up. On Griffin I never ever said we should not question Nick Griffin and his views on the holocaust.

[Seatherny]

aka you saw the words racism and homophobic and latched onto it.

Your replies are almost predictable now. I read other topics too but I believe these two were more important.