Labour push for a 'Death' Tax

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i thought people shouldn't be sufficient on the state and drain everyone's money... :S bankroll their own retirements? :S

Thats ideal yeah, and hopefully one day that could happen. However at this moment thats not the case, so the money that we pay taxes with should be used how we intend it to be used; on this country and its people rather than giving it to the European Union, Zimbabwe, India and bureaucrats in Whitehall who get paid more than the Prime Minister himself.

[alexxxxx]

Thats ideal yeah, and hopefully one day that could happen. However at this moment thats not the case, so the money that we pay taxes with should be used how we intend it to be used; on this country and its people rather than giving it to the European Union, Zimbabwe, India and bureaucrats in Whitehall who get paid more than the Prime Minister himself.

it will never happen and will never be possible. nor would it have the support of the majority of the population. dream on.

i would like the world to have no government, no laws, nothing, but to live by market mechanisms, but unfortunately economic theory is just theory and although it can be used to explain things, there is no such thing as market perfection and therefore completely free market economies CANNOT work. there must be regulation and 'socialist' policies to correct market failures such as the one we have highlighted here.

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it will never happen and will never be possible. nor would it have the support of the majority of the population. dream on.

i would like the world to have no government, no laws, nothing, but to live by market mechanisms, but unfortunately economic theory is just theory and although it can be used to explain things, there is no such thing as market perfection and therefore completely free market economies CANNOT work. there must be regulation and 'socialist' policies to correct market failures such as the one we have highlighted here.

Yes it would have the support of the population (using taxpayer money to fund this rather than having another stealth tax, a death tax) because people are sick of paying higher and higher taxes to fund an oversized government, meanwhile we're giving money to a rich country like India which has a massive nuclear weapons programme and a space exploration programme. To add to that, we are giving money to the regime of Mubage so he can spend it on however many cars his army generals want and we are giving billions to the European Union which has not had its audits checked for the past decade with supposed hundreds of billions missing from it. I just find it very strange how you can support yet another tax on hard working families but dont do what I do, and call for the obvious thing which is 'cut from other wasteful parts and fund it with that money' - as given with my examples.

As for that, yes of course it needs to be kept in check and the system we have now that was introduced in the 1980s is perfect. Little government control works and always has worked;- just look at the economies of the western world compared to those which had socialist government economic policies.

[alexxxxx]

Yes it would have the support of the population (using taxpayer money to fund this rather than having another stealth tax, a death tax) because people are sick of paying higher and higher taxes to fund an oversized government, meanwhile we're giving money to a rich country like India which has a massive nuclear weapons programme and a space exploration programme. To add to that, we are giving money to the regime of Mubage so he can spend it on however many cars his army generals want and we are giving billions to the European Union which has not had its audits checked for the past decade with supposed hundreds of billions missing from it. I just find it very strange how you can support yet another tax on hard working families but dont do what I do, and call for the obvious thing which is 'cut from other wasteful parts and fund it with that money' - as given with my examples.

Of course we should cut costs.. but everyone bankrolling their retirement - it wouldn't have the support of the population. have you seen some of the stories you hear of old people in the USA, VERY old people having to work until they die in order to pay for their own medication. That's not what we want here is it? That's 'self-sufficiency.' That's wrong in my eyes.

As for that, yes of course it needs to be kept in check and the system we have now that was introduced in the 1980s is perfect. Little government control works and always has worked;- just look at the economies of the western world compared to those which had socialist government economic policies.

You have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about. What we have is not a perfect market. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_market http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Competition

What you've said is a joke.

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Of course we should cut costs.. but everyone bankrolling their retirement - it wouldn't have the support of the population. have you seen some of the stories you hear of old people in the USA, VERY old people having to work until they die in order to pay for their own medication. That's not what we want here is it? That's 'self-sufficiency.' That's wrong in my eyes.

You have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about. What we have is not a perfect market. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_market http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Competition

What you've said is a joke.

So why do you appear to support yet another tax instead of calling for the government to just cut waste as I have done? - yes I have heard of it, and as I said thats a long time off now and we are nowhere near it. That is the ideal stage and maybe one day it could be reached near enough. We are facing a demographic crisis very soon and some of these things are just totally unaffordable even with more taxes.

As for our market now, yes our market is pretty perfect (as perfect as you can get in the real world) and before you point to the recession - recessions happen and always will do whether or not you have a socialist or capitalist economy, the only difference being that while capitalist ecomies are in amazing growth periods for the majority of the time, socialist economies are in recession all the time. The wealth of this country greatly turned around in the 1980s, while in the 1970s we had power cuts and had to go to the IMF for emergency loans just to keep afloat the concept of 'Thatcherism' and its free market economics gave this country the wealth it has today and has made London a financial capital of the world. Why do you want to ruin that?

What you have said is the joke and history proves it.

[alexxxxx]

So why do you appear to support yet another tax instead of calling for the government to just cut waste as I have done? - yes I have heard of it, and as I said thats a long time off now and we are nowhere near it. That is the ideal stage and maybe one day it could be reached near enough. We are facing a demographic crisis very soon and some of these things are just totally unaffordable even with more taxes.

As for our market now, yes our market is pretty perfect (as perfect as you can get in the real world) and before you point to the recession - recessions happen and always will do whether or not you have a socialist or capitalist economy, the only difference being that while capitalist ecomies are in amazing growth periods for the majority of the time, socialist economies are in recession all the time. The wealth of this country greatly turned around in the 1980s, while in the 1970s we had power cuts and had to go to the IMF for emergency loans just to keep afloat the concept of 'Thatcherism' and its free market economics gave this country the wealth it has today and has made London a financial capital of the world. Why do you want to ruin that?

What you have said is the joke and history proves it.

no what you say is a joke. you have accused the EU of being socialist, yet it is the BIGGEST ECONOMY in the world. What IS socialist in your eyes? It's a word you throw around FAR FAR FAR too often. And what I was pointing to you about 'perfect markets' is the reason why I argue my points across as they are. It's an economic concept which governments work towards. It's a theory and a concept as it's impossible to truly achieve it. The 'perfect' system that you have described is far from it. What you subscribe to isn't freemarketeering nor true capitalism, but mere populism, which is what the DM preaches every day, getting something for nothing. It doesn't and won't happen.

London is a big financial centre, but Frankfurt is growing more and more importantly and New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore are all main players.

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no what you say is a joke. you have accused the EU of being socialist, yet it is the BIGGEST ECONOMY in the world. What IS socialist in your eyes? It's a word you throw around FAR FAR FAR too often. And what I was pointing to you about 'perfect markets' is the reason why I argue my points across as they are. It's an economic concept which governments work towards. It's a theory and a concept as it's impossible to truly achieve it. The 'perfect' system that you have described is far from it. What you subscribe to isn't freemarketeering nor true capitalism, but mere populism, which is what the DM preaches every day, getting something for nothing. It doesn't and won't happen.

London is a big financial centre, but Frankfurt is growing more and more importantly and New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore are all main players.

And? - a socialist economy can be the biggest economy in the world just that it fails. You throw the words free market around FAR FAR too much because you seem to think that being part of an organisation which restricts trade/implements regulations such as 'the definition of a pig' is free market - that is not free market. The EU as a whole is socialist and its economics, meanwhile London remained just outside its grasp (not anymore thanks to the wonderful Lisbon Treaty the people of Europe were screaming for).

London is a big financial player so lets keep it that way, although we both know that the French are dying to get their hands on it and wrap red tape around it just as the Callaghan government did in the 1970s which led to this country becoming essentially a cesspit with little wealth and no hope. Do you want that again? - because it seems like you do.

Rather than support the obvious thing of cutting waste, you support more tax which hurst the economy even more and thus the cycle continues; Britain in the 1970s, Soviet Union and so forth.

[alexxxxx]

And? - a socialist economy can be the biggest economy in the world just that it fails. You throw the words free market around FAR FAR too much because you seem to think that being part of an organisation which restricts trade/implements regulations such as 'the definition of a pig' is free market - that is not free market. The EU as a whole is socialist and its economics, meanwhile London remained just outside its grasp (not anymore thanks to the wonderful Lisbon Treaty the people of Europe were screaming for).

can you please explain to me how the EU is socialist. because i just don't see it. how are its economics is its economy socialist?

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can you please explain to me how the EU is socialist. because i just don't see it. how are its economics is its economy socialist?

The structure and the way the economy of the European Union is run is socialist and is ever more growing socialist as it takes hold of yet more and more national powers without our consent - hardly suprising as the European Union has many Communists high up such as Baroness Ashton. The EU is a closed economy just like socialist economies are; it restricts trade with other nations and any left-over produce it dumps on African markets every year thus lowering the price African farmers can sell their food for - ensuring continued poverty.

To add to this, over-regulation is constant and the EU costs business across Europe hundreds of billion each year, the EU introduced a piece of legislation for example which made it compulsory for slaughter houses to have a carer for pigs before they are slaughtered to look after their 'welfare' despite the fact they are going to be killed within minutes.

It costs people so much, but like everything left-wing; they just love control.

[alexxxxx]

The structure and the way the economy of the European Union is run is socialist and is ever more growing socialist as it takes hold of yet more and more national powers without our consent - hardly suprising as the European Union has many Communists high up such as Baroness Ashton. The EU is a closed economy just like socialist economies are; it restricts trade with other nations and any left-over produce it dumps on African markets every year thus lowering the price African farmers can sell their food for - ensuring continued poverty.

can you explain to me how not allowing price-fixing, even by governments, is ILLEGAL. that doesn't sound socialist at all, sounds like they'd prefer to let the MARKET decide. the eu moves the boundaries of free trade wider and wider, not in any case that I have ever heard has there been a country who allows 100% free trade with every single nation. the first police force in this country was customs and excise enforcers who worked for the king to collect tax off maritime traders. the usa does not have free trade with other nations? the cap, i will admit, doesn't work well for many people. but it isn't just us who does this, the americans do this as well.

i don't know the names of those 'high-up' in the eu's ranks, however, we don't appear much more of a socialist bloc than anyone else.

To add to this, over-regulation is constant and the EU costs business across Europe hundreds of billion each year, the EU introduced a piece of legislation for example which made it compulsory for slaughter houses to have a carer for pigs before they are slaughtered to look after their 'welfare' despite the fact they are going to be killed within minutes.

It costs people so much, but like everything left-wing; they just love control.

equally, allowing customers to purchase goods from abroad meant that car owners used to be able to purchase cars in northern france, belgium and the netherlands and bring them back to the UK sans additional tax, forcing car dealerships in the UK to lower their prices, improving economic efficiency.

even more equally, poor regulation help lead us to the situation we have today, in terms of the financial sector. it would have been better if regulation had been tighter, which, a given, would have hurt growth, but wouldn't have sent us down the creek down without a paddle, costing us hundreds of BILLIONS in bail outs.