Gordon Brown the Bully

[-:Undertaker:-]

They could, just not well.

Well judging by the nations finances at the moment, with debts levels like that they'd probably do a runner to another country before the banks would close in on them;- much like in real life when Labour politicians fall from office after leaving the country in the piss (Neil Kinnock, Peter Mandelson) they fly off to Europe where they get a well paid job in the EU, despite being hated back in the UK for the damage they've and their party has caused.

[Japan]

This is ridiculous.
The bullying helpline is CONFIDENTIAL. Meaning they don't disclose details of conversations and absolutely do not tell the world who has phoned their helplines.

I smell a conservative.

[Jordy]

This government couldn't run an ice cream van.

They could, just not well.

Hmm well I suspect they would sell off all the ice creams so cheap that they made no profit. They would then go after other ice cream vans they have nothing to do with, accusing them of having mega poisonous FAB Lollies, however after further investigation it would turn out they don't and in reality, they just wanted to steal all their Cornettos. They would also sign away their ice creams and their power over to a larger ice cream firm which would slowly pick off all the independent ice cream firms. Workers from other ice cream vans would come over to their ice cream van and begin stealing all the 99p Flakes yet the government wouldn't mind, despite the van getting increasingly over-crowded.

[Alkaz]

Most likely he shouted a few times and because it's the prime minister its bullying so they need to make some money out of it and also put it in the media so we can all be really shocked and think of him as evil person because the Prime Minister actually shouted.

I agree, I mean its not as if being the Prime Minister is a stressful job or anything like that so I can't understand why people are making such a fuss about the person who, well just runs the country swearing and having a bit of a shout. I'm sure no one moaned when Churchill shouted at them, they probably knew they deserved it.

[Black_Apalachi]

Oh he definetly did a great job as Chancellor; I mean selling your countrys gold while its at an all-time low and announcing your intention to sell it to the markets a week before is what a failed A level Business student wouldn't even do. This government couldn't run an ice cream van.

I went to visit it at the federal reserve

[Seatherny]

I some how doubt it's decreased unless you can show me otherwise.

Sure.

In response, Labour said the correct figure of 5.4% represented a fall from 6% in 1998.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8515798.stm

Oh he definetly did a great job as Chancellor; I mean selling your countrys gold while its at an all-time low and announcing your intention to sell it to the markets a week before is what a failed A level Business student wouldn't even do. This government couldn't run an ice cream van.

I like how you never look at any positives the Labour have done. e.g. MINIMUM WAGE. They have done so much but people such as yourself only look at the negatives. They are doing a better job than UKIP ever could - a party who is full of false promises only because they know they will never get in power, so they might aswell say what the hell they want. I bet even if UKIP said they are going to give everyone wings, you will believe it and think it will really happen.

Anyone with a common sense (which unfortunately a lot of people in this discussion seem to lack) will know that Prime Minister or President of any country is not a easy job. People who work for the leaders know this and they know how tough it is. They know they will get shouted at if they mess up. If you cant handle the pressure, don't take the job and stop whining.

[Catzsy]

Sure.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8515798.stm



I like how you never look at any positives the Labour have done. e.g. MINIMUM WAGE. They have done so much but people such as yourself only look at the negatives. They are doing a better job than UKIP ever could - a party who is full of false promises only because they know they will never get in power, so they might aswell say what the hell they want. I bet even if UKIP said they are going to give everyone wings, you will believe it and think it will really happen.

Anyone with a common sense (which unfortunately a lot of people in this discussion seem to lack) will know that Prime Minister or President of any country is not a easy job. People who work for the leaders know this and they know how tough it is. They know they will get shouted at if they mess up. If you cant handle the pressure, don't take the job and stop whining.

I agree and quite honestly, Undertaker, sometimes your comments are about as informed as an ostrich burying his head in the sand and expressing himself through the parts exposed.

Achievements of Gordon Brown as Chancellor of Exchequer.


Independence of Bank of England.

4 days into his job he handed over control of Monetary policy from no.11 to the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee. This is widely regarded as being a key factor in creating economic stability and a low inflationary environment for the long period of economic expansion. (Note the Conservatives had made moves towards independence, making the step easier to make)

Longest Period of Economic Expansion on record.

Economic Growth has averaged 2.8% also the growth has been remarkably stable, the boom and bust cycles which characterised the 80s and early 90s have been completely avoided. The success of high growth and low inflation has earned generous praise from the IMF and World Bank. The chief economist of OECD, Jean-Philippe Cotis, described Britain as a "goldilocks" economy – This means they had the perfect balance of strong growth and low inflation. This has obviously been knocked back a bit by the GLOBAL recession.

Unemployment has fallen to the lowest level since the early 1970s.

In May 1997 the number unemployed was 1.7 million, this fell to 925,000 and although has risen again due the GLOBAL recession it still hasn't peaked to that figure again.


6. Inflation on Target.

Inflation has remained within the government’s target of CPI 2% +/-1. This is a remarkable record considering the recent inflation history of the UK. True much of the credit can be given to other sources. But unlike the previous Conservative governments, Gordon Brown never allowed himself to get carried away into thinking there had been an economic miracle. The Conservatives belief the economy could grow at 4%+ in the 1980s caused the boom and bust of the 1991.

7. Avoided Joining the EURO as the Eurozone went into recession.

His 5 economic tests were designed to prevent premature entry. There seems little interest in reviving such as idea. The UK has not been burdened with an interest rate unsuitable for the UK economy.


Added to that he introduced:

1. Pension credits, cold winter payments and grants to insulate homes etc

2. Working Tax and Child Tax Credits

3. Educational maintenance allowance

All this has helped millions of people to have a better standard of living as opposed to the privileged few.

They have been far more flexible in their approach as well to aid the economy by introducing scrappage allowances for cars and now boiler systems. Allowing a cut in VAT and Stamp Duty on houses for a limited time.

These are just a few examples.

This is stark contrast to the Conservative's handling of the economy in the 1980's and 1990s which was very much boom and bust with inflation reaching 11% at one point and unemployment reaching 3milion. Also there was this classic. In the run up to the 1979 election, Labour were obsessed with the Tories planning to double VAT. Howe and Thatcher dismissed it as a smear. Howe was pretty explicit: “We have absolutely no intention of doubling VAT.” The Daily Mail was so convinced, it included the “double VAT” charge in a splash on “Labour’s dirty dozen lies”, just days before the campaign concluded.

The trouble was that the Tories had already agreed a “massive” hike in VAT a good year before winning the election. Sure, they didn’t want to double the rate. The secret plan, hatched at Howe’s house on the Fentiman Road, was completely different: to raise VAT from 8 to 15 per cent. Howe announced it in his first Budget. So not quite double but a devestating blow to the electorate who had to pay the huge increases and was probably the biggest indirect tax on the british people of all time.

[Grig]

Get over it, there are much more important things to deal with than a mere bullying case. It's not like presidents in the PMs or presidents of other countries in the past didn't bully. They run it.

As a point above mentioned, whilst on the subject of UK political parties, UKIP is indeed a joke. I will tell you one such example, where they say to limit EU jobs. However, this will have a severe impact and strain between relations of other EU countries and probably many of UK workers in other EU countries would be kicked out. Labour is the sensible option. Their policy of isolationalism is also quite sensless, we are a global community. If they want to go back to the dark ages, they can do so with such policies. Many countries, expecially within the EU block work as a string, where if one country cuts that string off, it would mean trouble. UKIP, is if something, a party which is not open as demonstrated by their MPs voting so.

[ifuseekamy]

I doubt Labour will keep him around as PM anyway. He's too incompetent to run a country and I imagine that spills over to frustration leading to these outbursts.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Sure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8515798.stm

I like how you never look at any positives the Labour have done. e.g. MINIMUM WAGE. They have done so much but people such as yourself only look at the negatives. They are doing a better job than UKIP ever could - a party who is full of false promises only because they know they will never get in power, so they might aswell say what the hell they want. I bet even if UKIP said they are going to give everyone wings, you will believe it and think it will really happen.

Anyone with a common sense (which unfortunately a lot of people in this discussion seem to lack) will know that Prime Minister or President of any country is not a easy job. People who work for the leaders know this and they know how tough it is. They know they will get shouted at if they mess up. If you cant handle the pressure, don't take the job and stop whining.

Mainly because Labour never have any positives, if selling gold at dirt cheap prices by the Chancellor is their best then its pretty crap to say the least. I like how you stand by Labour to the hilt really, talk about forming an opinion of your own. "I bet even if UKIP said they are going to give everyone wings, you will believe it and think it will really happen." - stop it with the jokes mate, your splitting my sides.

I agree and quite honestly, Undertaker, sometimes your comments are about as informed as an ostrich burying his head in the sand and expressing himself through the parts exposed.

Achievements of Gordon Brown as Chancellor of Exchequer.

So Gordon Brown did or did not sell gold at dirty cheap prices? - yes he did, its fact look it up if you wish - talk about burying your head in the sand.

Independence of Bank of England.

4 days into his job he handed over control of Monetary policy from no.11 to the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee. This is widely regarded as being a key factor in creating economic stability and a low inflationary environment for the long period of economic expansion. (Note the Conservatives had made moves towards independence, making the step easier to make)

This did not create economic stability, it was simply a move that gave the Bank of England more power to take charge over something it already basically made the decisions for.

Longest Period of Economic Expansion on record.

Economic Growth has averaged 2.8% also the growth has been remarkably stable, the boom and bust cycles which characterised the 80s and early 90s have been completely avoided. The success of high growth and low inflation has earned generous praise from the IMF and World Bank. The chief economist of OECD, Jean-Philippe Cotis, described Britain as a "goldilocks" economy – This means they had the perfect balance of strong growth and low inflation. This has obviously been knocked back a bit by the GLOBAL recession.

I'm not saying its not global and as I have said many times before, the recession is not the fault of the government. In that case and what I know as fact; neither was the boom time. This government simply stepped into office at a good time economically when the world market was booming and it would of occured under anyone who was in office at the time, the same with the collapse.

The difference is that Gordon Brown was so keen to accept responsibility for the boom time, after all he "abolished boom and bust" which the man should know is impossible, even if we had Jesus running the Treasury. The Labour government was ill-equipped because like all socialist governments, it didnt know where and when to stop spending and it still hasnt.

Unemployment has fallen to the lowest level since the early 1970s.

In May 1997 the number unemployed was 1.7 million, this fell to 925,000 and although has risen again due the GLOBAL recession it still hasn't peaked to that figure again.

Ahh I was hoping someone would bring this up;

Unemployment figures do not include the other factors such as people who are on disability benefits and other benefits, the figure is estimated that the total number of people unemployed in the United Kingdom is over 8 million people who are economically inactive when a lot of them could be active.

6. Inflation on Target.

Inflation has remained within the government’s target of CPI 2% +/-1. This is a remarkable record considering the recent inflation history of the UK. True much of the credit can be given to other sources. But unlike the previous Conservative governments, Gordon Brown never allowed himself to get carried away into thinking there had been an economic miracle. The Conservatives belief the economy could grow at 4%+ in the 1980s caused the boom and bust of the 1991.

Hang on a minute, and what has this achieved? - boom and bust comes anyway, so in reality if hes done anything he just hurt growth during the boom time. Recessions will always occur under any government and this one if no exception, whether you like it or not.

7. Avoided Joining the EURO as the Eurozone went into recession.

His 5 economic tests were designed to prevent premature entry. There seems little interest in reviving such as idea. The UK has not been burdened with an interest rate unsuitable for the UK economy.

Good, and if the 5 economic tests had suceeded he would of signed us over to a new, still unstable currency of which the United Kingdom would of had no control over. We-do-not-want-euro.

Added to that he introduced:

1. Pension credits, cold winter payments and grants to insulate homes etc

2. Working Tax and Child Tax Credits

3. Educational maintenance allowance

All this has helped millions of people to have a better standard of living as opposed to the privileged few.

They have been far more flexible in their approach as well to aid the economy by introducing scrappage allowances for cars and now boiler systems. Allowing a cut in VAT and Stamp Duty on houses for a limited time.

All very nice handing out free money, but whether or not you've noticed its not actually free at all. It comes from taxes, which have been raised and raised to pay for some of the biggest wastes ever such as EMA for example which is just ludicrous. £30 a week for teenagers to spend on sweets, booze and clothes is simply fantastic isnt it, meanwhile families have to cope year on year with rising taxes.

Heres an idea; instead of re-distributing wealth like this government and so many other socialist governments do, why not let the people spend their own wages on what they wish instead of the government taking it and spending it on red tape, complete waste of money 'projects' and things such as EMA.

These are just a few examples.

This is stark contrast to the Conservative's handling of the economy in the 1980's and 1990s which was very much boom and bust with inflation reaching 11% at one point and unemployment reaching 3milion. Also there was this classic. In the run up to the 1979 election, Labour were obsessed with the Tories planning to double VAT. Howe and Thatcher dismissed it as a smear. Howe was pretty explicit: “We have absolutely no intention of doubling VAT.” The Daily Mail was so convinced, it included the “double VAT” charge in a splash on “Labour’s dirty dozen lies”, just days before the campaign concluded.

The trouble was that the Tories had already agreed a “massive” hike in VAT a good year before winning the election. Sure, they didn’t want to double the rate. The secret plan, hatched at Howe’s house on the Fentiman Road, was completely different: to raise VAT from 8 to 15 per cent. Howe announced it in his first Budget. So not quite double but a devestating blow to the electorate who had to pay the huge increases and was probably the biggest indirect tax on the british people of all time.

Do you know why VAT and other things had to be sorted in the Conservatives first years? - do you really because it sounds to me as though you are defending the most pathetic government in history (Callgahans) of which just to survive we had to go to the IMF. You know Thatchers reforms? - yes they were harsh, yes times were tough but at the end of it - this country was a complete turnaround from what it had been under decades of rotting socialism which has set in and were turning us into 'the sick man of Europe'.

I suppose you also oppose the privatisation of the businesses and closure of the mines.

Get over it, there are much more important things to deal with than a mere bullying case. It's not like presidents in the PMs or presidents of other countries in the past didn't bully. They run it.

As a point above mentioned, whilst on the subject of UK political parties, UKIP is indeed a joke. I will tell you one such example, where they say to limit EU jobs. However, this will have a severe impact and strain between relations of other EU countries and probably many of UK workers in other EU countries would be kicked out. Labour is the sensible option. Their policy of isolationalism is also quite sensless, we are a global community. If they want to go back to the dark ages, they can do so with such policies. Many countries, expecially within the EU block work as a string, where if one country cuts that string off, it would mean trouble. UKIP, is if something, a party which is not open as demonstrated by their MPs voting so.

Oh so Europe deals via threats does it?

If they are going to use threats over what the electorate wants then let them if they wish, I and many others couldnt care less if the French-German control game gets disrupted by the United Kingdom, just as it has in the past really I guess you could say. Again, wrong party. UKIP is not isolationist, they want to improve trade links with India and the Commonwealth but want it so that we can trade with Europe but not be ruled by Europe. If its worked for hundreds of years, why should it be impossible now?

The answer is, it isnt.