Do you care if your kids are gay?

[HotelUser]

Yes, but I do not feel that endangering the welfare and well-being of a child is correct. You can say they would have a loving family which in most cases they would and I accept that fully, but at the end of the day they are going to get stick over it no matter what occurs and I simply dont find that now is the right time to expose children to that. As I have said earlier on, maybe in a decade or few decades more but certainly not now.

It is to my opinion that having a good and loving family is more important over the "stick" the child would get for having two same gender parents. I would also say that yes, children in this situation would probably say there are some people who make the odd immature comment, but they would also probably say that this is a worth while price for having an actual home with actual parents as opposed to having a horrible childlife in an orphanage with 20 other kids and an hours worth of attention a week from a legal gardian

The attitudes of most teenagers is to agree with it yes, so infact I am very much in tune because I do not dispute that. What you dont seem to be able to accept is that they will get stick - now you can give as many other examples as you want about fat kids, poor kids, kids that smell, kids that pee themselves or whatever else you could produce to me but the fact remains, they would get stick if anyone found out about their two dads/two mums which in most cases with kids, they would at a very young age because kids cannot keep secrets.

I'm inclined to agree with Catzsy here, I do think the child would experience some extent of immaturity from others due to the living conditions of his or her parents, but I also think you're making this abuse out to be something much more significant than it actually would be.

[Catzsy]

Yes, but I do not feel that endangering the welfare and well-being of a child is correct. You can say they would have a loving family which in most cases they would and I accept that fully, but at the end of the day they are going to get stick over it no matter what occurs and I simply dont find that now is the right time to expose children to that. As I have said earlier on, maybe in a decade or few decades more but certainly not now.



The attitudes of most teenagers is to agree with it yes, so infact I am very much in tune because I do not dispute that. What you dont seem to be able to accept is that they will get stick - now you can give as many other examples as you want about fat kids, poor kids, kids that smell, kids that pee themselves or whatever else you could produce to me but the fact remains, they would get stick if anyone found out about their two dads/two mums which in most cases with kids, they would at a very young age because kids cannot keep secrets.

Yes I said they will get teased as much as any ism but not anymore or any less and this is not a reason to be against Gay Adoption.

[clueless]

So you would rather them live their lifes in a care home? It would surely be better to hear a few names in the playground which will go as you get older anyway and have loving parents who will look after you and help you through then having no one to go to and get bullied all the same? The only way progress would happen is it people start to deal with it and accept it and kids learn to accept it from the young age. With the right education for the bullies and a full stop on this bullying it would be much more worthwhile for the kid.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is to my opinion that having a good and loving family is more important over the "stick" the child would get for having two same gender parents. I would also say that yes, children in this situation would probably say there are some people who make the odd immature comment, but they would also probably say that this is a worth while price for having an actual home with actual parents as opposed to having a horrible childlife in an orphanage with 20 other kids and an hours worth of attention a week from a legal gardian

I'm inclined to agree with Catzsy here, I do think the child would experience some extent of immaturity from others due to the living conditions of his or her parents, but I also think you're making this abuse out to be something much more significant than it actually would be.

Yes, but as we know its not as simple as that. A child is unable to understand why they are being bullied and the classmates of that child are unable to understand the concept of having two dads and two mums, not to mention as I said before; its out of the ordinary. I don't remember and have never heard of care homes in the United Kingdom being classed as 'horrible' anyway?

Yes I said they will get teased as much as any ism but not anymore or any less and this is not a reason to be against Gay Adoption.

Yes it is a reason to be against gay adoption, because as you yourself have pointed out in that very sentence; they will get stick and in my eyes thats just not acceptable and not fair on the child.

So you would rather them live their lifes in a care home? It would surely be better to hear a few names in the playground which will go as you get older anyway and have loving parents who will look after you and help you through then having no one to go to and get bullied all the same? The only way progress would happen is it people start to deal with it and accept it and kids learn to accept it from the young age. With the right education for the bullies and a full stop on this bullying it would be much more worthwhile for the kid.

No I would rather they have a loving home;- however if that means putting the welfare and well-being of the child at risk then I would rather them be in the carehome and would hope that they would eventually be adopted. The education point;- you cannot and should not tell children what to think, this process is one that will take time and will rely on social attitudes to change, not government educational programmes.

It is a matter of time, and now is not the time.

[clueless]

No I would rather they have a loving home;- however if that means putting the welfare and well-being of the child at risk then I would rather them be in the carehome and would hope that they would eventually be adopted. The education point;- you cannot and should not tell children what to think, this process is one that will take time and will rely on social attitudes to change, not government educational programmes.

It is a matter of time, and now is not the time.

I guess thats just a differ of opinions on the first point then. And educating a child isnt telling them what to think, when I was in primary school I didnt even know what a gay person was until god knows what year. It's not telling them to accept it or whatever but its making them more aware from a younger age so that they know it as the norm and it becomes socially acceptable. It's not about giving them some educational programme its just about raising awareness and clamping down on bullying from a younger age. And if now isn't the time when will ever be the time? The only way you can get it to become socially acceptable is by putting it into place, if we are going by your way and not allowing it for the sake of the kids then we will never make any progress.

[alexxxxx]

i know of a few (more than one) kids at my old school (not in my year) who's parents decided they'd turn gay and go with same sex partners and tbh i've never heard once that they've ever had any harassment from it.

if my parents weren't around, i would have prefered to have had a home to go home to with family rather than being in care

[HotelUser]

Yes, but as we know its not as simple as that. A child is unable to understand why they are being bullied and the classmates of that child are unable to understand the concept of having two dads and two mums, not to mention as I said before; its out of the ordinary. I don't remember and have never heard of care homes in the United Kingdom being classed as 'horrible' anyway?

I don't think the kids would understand why they have to grow up in an orphanage with no parents and no explanation either. Atleast with gay adoption controversy, the child would have a better and more loving role model(s) to talk to.

And it does not take rocket science to determine that growing up in an orphanage is not as luxurious as growing up with actual parents.

Yes it is a reason to be against gay adoption, because as you yourself have pointed out in that very sentence; they will get stick and in my eyes thats just not acceptable and not fair on the child.

And if a white man adopts a black child there is also going to be stick. Infact, there's going to be stick with any adoption. You cannot deny the fact that a child with two mothers or fathers is going to have a better upbringing than they would in an orphanage. You cannot baby these children because of the possibility that people will make fun of them. People will always make fun of other people over uncontrolled variables. If the parents were really that concerned they could always just find a suitable private school or homeschool the child anyway.

No I would rather they have a loving home;- however if that means putting the welfare and well-being of the child at risk then I would rather them be in the carehome and would hope that they would eventually be adopted. The education point;- you cannot and should not tell children what to think, this process is one that will take time and will rely on social attitudes to change, not government educational programmes.

It is a matter of time, and now is not the time.

could just be me, but I haven't exactly heard of many murders committed because of having gay parents

[FlyingJesus]

My best friend's mother is a lesbian, he's had very little abuse over it. Even his younger siblings didn't (as far as I'm aware) and children so often aren't even aware of such situations. In my wide experience on the giving end of bullying at school I can with some authority say that people get picked on for who they are, not their home life or parents - the exception being if you just make up some sort of rumour because it's funny at the time and it happens to stick, but there doesn't even need to be truth in those so it's hardly worth using as a real point.

[Catzsy]

Yes it is a reason to be against gay adoption, because as you yourself have pointed out in that very sentence; they will get stick and in my eyes thats just not acceptable and not fair on the child.

On that basis any child likely to be bullied should not be adopted by anybody which virtually would stop all adoptions.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I guess thats just a differ of opinions on the first point then. And educating a child isnt telling them what to think, when I was in primary school I didnt even know what a gay person was until god knows what year. It's not telling them to accept it or whatever but its making them more aware from a younger age so that they know it as the norm and it becomes socially acceptable. It's not about giving them some educational programme its just about raising awareness and clamping down on bullying from a younger age. And if now isn't the time when will ever be the time? The only way you can get it to become socially acceptable is by putting it into place, if we are going by your way and not allowing it for the sake of the kids then we will never make any progress.

It is not the norm though. No matter how many anti-bullying programmes the government introduces nothing will/would change. Bullying will be here forever, it just takes time for different social attitudes to change regarding different things.

I don't think the kids would understand why they have to grow up in an orphanage with no parents and no explanation either. Atleast with gay adoption controversy, the child would have a better and more loving role model(s) to talk to.

I think they would understand pretty well to a degree, 'mummy and daddy went away' and so forth whereas the whole gay issue is a different bag of fish.

And it does not take rocket science to determine that growing up in an orphanage is not as luxurious as growing up with actual parents.
And if a white man adopts a black child there is also going to be stick. Infact, there's going to be stick with any adoption. You cannot deny the fact that a child with two mothers or fathers is going to have a better upbringing than they would in an orphanage. You cannot baby these children because of the possibility that people will make fun of them. People will always make fun of other people over uncontrolled variables. If the parents were really that concerned they could always just find a suitable private school or homeschool the child anyway.

I haven't denied that they might have a better homelife and loving family by being adopted, i'm simply pointing out the fact that the kids would get grief from the whole thing. You say you cannot baby these kids and you are correct, however I dont think you have any right to put them in harms way either. The last part, its not as simple as that - some kids dont even tell anyone whats happening with them at school not to mention cramped schools/limited choice in areas.

could just be me, but I haven't exactly heard of many murders committed because of having gay parents

I haven't either, so I have no idea where you got that from.

On that basis any child likely to be bullied should not be adopted by anybody which virtually would stop all adoptions.

The fact is that kids who have gay parents I would with confidence suggest that they are far more likely to be bullied than a kid who is fat or who is poor.