ITV to create Pay Per View Channels

[-:Undertaker:-]

Unless they are allowed the keep the funds from previous TV license fee's, its common sense that it would be extremely hard to just buy popular shows with hardly any money.

Then that is business I am afraid, why should somebody who does not share the same opinion as you over the BBC have to fund the BBC for your benefit?

[AgnesIO]

Then that is business I am afraid, why should somebody who does not share the same opinion as you over the BBC have to fund the BBC for your benefit?

Lets be honest. If we go down that route Dan then LOADS could be argued from it.

Why should you pay tax for working?
Why should you pay for a pension?
Why should you pay tax for low life's on benefits?
Why should you pay tax for immigrants to be deported?


Non of those are beneficial to you

[Seatherny]

Then that is business I am afraid, why should somebody who does not share the same opinion as you over the BBC have to fund the BBC for your benefit?

I think if there was to be a national Poll, most people would rather pay the £100 for all BBC services rather than have to pay a separate fee for BBC or have it lose all its top channels and start showing adverts.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lets be honest. If we go down that route Dan then LOADS could be argued from it.

Why should you pay tax for working?
Why should you pay for a pension?
Why should you pay tax for low life's on benefits?
Why should you pay tax for immigrants to be deported?


Non of those are beneficial to you

You should pay lowest possible tax for working to keep the basics of government held up.
You should pay for a pension if you want to eat and have shelter later on in life when you are old.
We should not pay tax for low lifes on benefits.
We should not be paying tax for immigrations to be deported (which they dont anyway) as they shouldnt be here in the first place.

As for television, we are talking about exactly that; television. Not government and its inner workings (which needs to be severly cut anyway as shown by your examples) and the BBC is just another example of the wasteful state we have. We do not have another option of paying tax to somebody else, however we do have the choice between BBC, Sky, ITV and various other networks.

I think if there was to be a national Poll, most people would rather pay the £100 for all BBC services rather than have to pay a separate fee for BBC or have it lose all its top channels and start showing adverts.

Instead of forcing everyone to pay then; just let people choose. As you say, in your words if there was a national poll most people would continue paying so let them - but just stop forcing people who do not want to pay as they do not like the BBC and its programmes to pay aswell.

[Seatherny]

You should pay lowest possible tax for working to keep the basics of government held up.
You should pay for a pension if you want to eat and have shelter later on in life when you are old.
We should not pay tax for low lifes on benefits.
We should not be paying tax for immigrations to be deported (which they dont anyway) as they shouldnt be here in the first place.

As for television, we are talking about exactly that; television. Not government and its inner workings (which needs to be severly cut anyway as shown by your examples) and the BBC is just another example of the wasteful state we have. We do not have another option of paying tax to somebody else, however we do have the choice between BBC, Sky, ITV and various other networks.



Instead of forcing everyone to pay then; just let people choose. As you say, in your words if there was a national poll most people would continue paying so let them - but just stop forcing people who do not want to pay as they do not like the BBC and its programmes to pay aswell.

Why pay for pension? Just save up... simples.
If the immigrant has no money, how do you expect them to buy a ticket out of here?
Like I said, you pay for a lot of the stuff you dont use. If you go down that route, then lets not pay taxes. I mean some people never use the road, some never use the parks, but their money goes in to it.

Your argument is "if we dont use BBC, why should we pay" argument is flawed.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why pay for pension? Just save up... simples.
If the immigrant has no money, how do you expect them to buy a ticket out of here?
Like I said, you pay for a lot of the stuff you dont use. If you go down that route, then lets not pay taxes. I mean some people never use the road, some never use the parks, but their money goes in to it.

Your argument is "if we dont use BBC, why should we pay" argument is flawed.

- A pension is saving up for your retirement.
- The immigrant should not be allowed in the country in the first place if they are financially incapable/do not work.

Why is the BBC so different from the brand of bread you buy, the fizzy drinks you buy - its commercial television. If I prefer Sky TV, give me a reason why I should pay for you to watch BBC and for the BBC to waste billions upon billions. Its my money, my choice which broadcaster I wish to watch. Tax is not a choice, television is. We have an enormous range of television these days, and a lot of people feel the BBC is wasteful and does not show programmes that they are interested in;- henceforth why should they pay for something they do not watch when they watch another broadcaster instead?

[Seatherny]

- A pension is saving up for your retirement.
- The immigrant should not be allowed in the country in the first place if they are financially incapable/do not work.

Why is the BBC so different from the brand of bread you buy, the fizzy drinks you buy - its commercial television. If I prefer Sky TV, give me a reason why I should pay for you to watch BBC and for the BBC to waste billions upon billions. Its my money, my choice which broadcaster I wish to watch. Tax is not a choice, television is. We have an enormous range of television these days, and a lot of people feel the BBC is wasteful and does not show programmes that they are interested in;- henceforth why should they pay for something they do not watch when they watch another broadcaster instead?

No I meant save it up in your own bank.
And why is it different to tax? I dont like paying for war but my money still goes towards it.

We all have to pay for stuff we dont use. If you kill the BBC then I can assure you, most of the country will be pissed off.
Do you watch the BBC?

[-:Undertaker:-]

No I meant save it up in your own bank.
And why is it different to tax? I dont like paying for war but my money still goes towards it.

We all have to pay for stuff we dont use. If you kill the BBC then I can assure you, most of the country will be pissed off.
Do you watch the BBC?

Often people do that nowadays because Gordon Brown spent all the state pensions back when gaining office in 1997 and thus we have an unaffordable pension black hole which is a time bomb waiting to go off (you may think I am over-stating that, but just watch within the next 10-20 years the demographics show we are heading for complete catatrophe). As for comparing war to the BBC - totally flawed. Commercial television and a war (agree with it or not) are totally different although i'd agree that our money should be spent more on what the majority want when concerning central government.

As for the BBC; you say that the majority of the population will be pissed off for killing the BBC - but if its as popular as you suggest, why would it be killed off? - if theres the demand then people will pay for its services.

On the BBC;- yes I do watch some things on it although I far prefer other broadcasters, at the end of the day when I come to pay license fee it should be my choice whether I wish to pay for the BBC or Sky or any other broadcasters. My choice, not the choice of you, Gordon Brown or anyone else. The waste that goes on in the BBC due to it being owned by the state is amazing, even sickening. That (as shown by history) is why the BBC wastes so much;- privatisation would put a firm stop to that as it did with various other industries which were making a loss back until they were privatised in the 1980s.

[Catzsy]

You should pay lowest possible tax for working to keep the basics of government held up.
You should pay for a pension if you want to eat and have shelter later on in life when you are old.
We should not pay tax for low lifes on benefits.
We should not be paying tax for immigrations to be deported (which they dont anyway) as they shouldnt be here in the first place.



As for television, we are talking about exactly that; television. Not government and its inner workings (which needs to be severly cut anyway as shown by your examples) and the BBC is just another example of the wasteful state we have. We do not have another option of paying tax to somebody else, however we do have the choice between BBC, Sky, ITV and various other networks.



Instead of forcing everyone to pay then; just let people choose. As you say, in your words if there was a national poll most people would continue paying so let them - but just stop forcing people who do not want to pay as they do not like the BBC and its programmes to pay aswell.

Or conversely as it is you that is you that is in the minority not only on this forum but in the country as a whole why should we bow to a minority opinion? Just because people shout louder doesn't mean that they are right.
People who think like this perhaps should consider whether they are in fact living in the right country as the BBC has been with us since 1922 and the welfare state since the 1940s. It is a middle of the road country - full stop not a right wing country and no matter how many threads are turned into a party political discussion UKIP will not be anywhere near getting into power in the next few years and probably never because they are not a party based on facts - they are a party based on rhetoric and words do not run a country.

[AgnesIO]

Or conversely as it is you that is you that is in the minority not only on this forum but in the country as a whole why should we bow to a minority opinion? Just because people shout louder doesn't mean that they are right.
People who think like this perhaps should consider whether they are in fact living in the right country as the BBC has been with us since 1922 and the welfare state since the 1940s. It is a middle of the road country - full stop not a right wing country and no matter how many threads are turned into a party political discussion UKIP will not be anywhere near getting into power in the next few years and probably never because they are not a party based on facts - they are a party based on rhetoric and words do not run a country.

ONE NIL CATZSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is how it's done. No question argument.

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