[NOT HAPPY!] Health Form Bill Passed

[Technologic]

Privatisation leads to a monopoly based only on money, not care.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i would prefer that the hospitals are privatised and the government pays for those eligible (ie everyone british/eu) if we had to privatise at all. Making people have to pay for their own insurance just plays into the hands of monopolists and whichever regulator takes it on will be under constant pressure from insurers (see OFCOM, OFWATT). The levels used to fund the NHS will only spill over to insurers (with a suitable mark-up of course).

I think at the moment we have a system like that and it turns out that the NHS is paying rip-off prices for the building of hospitals although I suppose you mean privately owned rather than built so I see what you are saying. Would it not just be best to keep a cap on the insurers though? - i'm all for low government control and privatisation but for issues such as medical insurance and now gas/heating bills there needs to be a limit on the monopoly.

[alexxxxx]

I think at the moment we have a system like that and it turns out that the NHS is paying rip-off prices for the building of hospitals although I suppose you mean privately owned rather than built so I see what you are saying. Would it not just be best to keep a cap on the insurers though? - i'm all for low government control and privatisation but for issues such as medical insurance and now gas/heating bills there needs to be a limit on the monopoly.

privately owned and built. no, because unfortunately the insurance people will destroy any sort of regulator in the end and they are not accountable enough. A system where people could get a tax break, less than the value of the insurance, if they get their own insurance and prove they have it, which would put pressure on insurance companies to lower prices, improve service, because at the end of the day people can revert back to the government system.

[Seatherny]

Both of those we have privately. x

Before I make a huge post to show everyone why you are the typical person I dislike very much, I must ask, your private health system, who do you use? BUPA?
Have you ever used the NHS?
How many £millions do your parents have / are they rich?

Edit: Just noticed Catzsy asked you and you said BUPA. But please answer my other questions.

[HotelUser]

Wanting people to pay for say, cancer medication when they don't have enough money when it is a matter of insignificant money you'd have to spend is sheer ignorance.

[jrh2002]

Jrh - I wish you would write in paragraphs- your posts are so hard to read You have pretty hardline attitudes which I guess you are entitled to but here are you actually advocating murdering people with aids?

I will try to make it easier to read in future I just get carried away and my short comment snowballs.

Some of these african countries have up to 25% of their population with HIV/Aids and they are not being educated The get told they have the disease and go home and sleep with all their wives They will not use contraception and give religion etc as their reasoning. Unless we can educate these people then no way should we be spending money on them to keep them alive longer just to spread the disease even more. I dont think we should give any overseas aid but thats another subject. People who catch HIV in the UK are very well educated about the disease and with the correct treatment will live as long as most of us and they will also stay safe.

I would not tell anybody to murder but I cant deny that if our great leader ended up in a body bag I would have a little smile.

My parents and I have never claimed a penny so I dont see why we should have to pay for everybody I dont mind paying to help my friends and family but not everybody. I pay a lot in tax (Did avoid it but cant now) and never minded a bit of give and take but now it is me with the give and give and everybody else with the take and take. I am disgusted seeing how Labour waste my taxes on 100s non deserving people/causes.

I think you and Undertaker should agree to disagree because it is starting to become a little personal. I love Undertakers political views and really hope he is going to try for a career in politics and whether you agree with his views or not we need a very broad spectrum of people who ask the difficult questions as our MP's will not tell you anything unless you ask and then lie. I also see where you are coming from and respect your views I do think your signature stating UKIP and the BNP want to take us back to the 19th century is a bit bad They are the only 2 parties that that are addressing a lot of the concerns of many UK citizens because the major parties are to scared to talk about them so of course people will look elsewhere.

[Catzsy]

I think you and Undertaker should agree to disagree because it is starting to become a little personal. I love Undertakers political views and really hope he is going to try for a career in politics and whether you agree with his views or not we need a very broad spectrum of people who ask the difficult questions as our MP's will not tell you anything unless you ask and then lie. I also see where you are coming from and respect your views I do think your signature stating UKIP and the BNP want to take us back to the 19th century is a bit bad They are the only 2 parties that that are addressing a lot of the concerns of many UK citizens because the major parties are to scared to talk about them so of course people will look elsewhere

Well at least Undertaker has more than one fan then The signature is a parody and not meant to be taken seriously Jrh but quite frankly I don't agree that he is MP material at all. He would be chewed up and swallowed out in a minute as he doesn't have the research and evidence to back up his posts. Yes if people want to hear this sort of thing that it sounds great but it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. I don't have anything personally against him at all but I claim the right to my opinions too . xox

[-:Undertaker:-]

privately owned and built. no, because unfortunately the insurance people will destroy any sort of regulator in the end and they are not accountable enough. A system where people could get a tax break, less than the value of the insurance, if they get their own insurance and prove they have it, which would put pressure on insurance companies to lower prices, improve service, because at the end of the day people can revert back to the government system.

We would need strong legislation, the French are a country to look to when it comes to regulation of major companies such as the gas industry. Whatever the solution though, we are heading for a demographic crisis within the coming decade or two and its rather scary.

Well at least Undertaker has more than one fan then The signature is a parody and not meant to be taken seriously Jrh but quite frankly I don't agree that he is MP material at all. He would be chewed up and swallowed out in a minute as he doesn't have the research and evidence to back up his posts. Yes if people want to hear this sort of thing that it sounds great but it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. I don't have anything personally against him at all but I claim the right to my opinions too . xox

Well when I do provide various polls and sources on your request, you just rubbish them anyway. Its lose lose for me.

[jrh2002]

Jrh - I wish you would write in paragraphs- your posts are so hard to read You have pretty hardline attitudes which I guess you are entitled to but here are you actually advocating murdering people with aids?

Well at least Undertaker has more than one fan then The signature is a parody and not meant to be taken seriously Jrh but quite frankly I don't agree that he is MP material at all. He would be chewed up and swallowed out in a minute as he doesn't have the research and evidence to back up his posts. Yes if people want to hear this sort of thing that it sounds great but it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. I don't have anything personally against him at all but I claim the right to my opinions too . xox

Well he always backs himself up pretty well and usually provides a good argument with decent evidence We dont always get everything right and that includes everybody on here. There are plenty of politicians who have no idea what they are on about and all they can do is give replies to something that was not even asked lol as well as lots of geeks with no personality so we need some outspoken people who put the UK first. I have met a couple of MP's and people who want careers in politics and I can assure you they have no idea about the real world and never done a days proper work in their lives so you give them way to much credit.

[Catzsy]

Well he always backs himself up pretty well and usually provides a good argument with decent evidence We dont always get everything right and that includes everybody on here. There are plenty of politicians who have no idea what they are on about and all they can do is give replies to something that was not even asked lol as well as lots of geeks with no personality so we need some outspoken people who put the UK first. I have met a couple of MP's and people who want careers in politics and I can assure you they have no idea about the real world and never done a days proper work in their lives so you give them way to much credit.

Well of course you are entitled to your opinion which of course I do not have to agree with!