[NOT HAPPY!] Health Form Bill Passed

[marriott0.01]

But how would they know to take you there? They don't. The ambulance who would start treatment on you would by hired by the NHS and would take you to the nearest NHS A&E department. They do not have time to phone around and ask if you are private, people who have noticed the crash would phone 999. Not some other number for private health care!

They have these things called Records And we wouldn't have this problem if there was no NHS. Essentially what I want.

[xxMATTGxx]

They have these things called Records And we wouldn't have this problem if there was no NHS. Essentially what I want.

You being serious? So paramedics will have time going through records LOL! So your in life threatening conditions and they are there looking through records to see where to take you. I do not think so.

NHS is one the best things in this country, do not slate it. It may have problems but it si very good health care and we do not have to spend thousands of pound a month for private health care. Which I may add, people may not be able to afford. We are in a recession after all!

[marriott0.01]

You being serious? So paramedics will have time going through records LOL! So your in life threatening conditions and they are there looking through records to see where to take you. I do not think so.

NHS is one the best things in this country, do not slate it. It may have problems but it si very good health care and we do not have to spend thousands of pound a month for private health care. Which I may add, people may not be able to afford. We are in a recession after all!

With no NHS, there is no need for as high tax as we have now? So people would have money still... And yes we are in a recession so why should a government be wasting billions on the the NHS.

And I would prefer them to check my records, and my family if they find out they can request that the NHS stop their treatment and move me to a Private Hospital, which they would certainly do.

[Recursion]

With no NHS, there is no need for as high tax as we have now? So people would have money still... And yes we are in a recession so why should a government be wasting billions on the the NHS.

And I would prefer them to check my records, and my family if they find out they can request that the NHS stop their treatment and move me to a Private Hospital, which they would certainly do.

30 seconds to live, do they start resuscitation or check your records to move you on to Bupa? Your choice.

Personally I would carry on paying for the NHS, not had any problems with them yet.

If you were in a car crash and in a critical state the NHS will take care of you until you're in a stable condition before moving you on to a private hospital.

[xxMATTGxx]

30 seconds to live, do they start resucitation or check your records to move you on to Bupa? Your choice.

Personally I would carry on paying for the NHS, not had any problems with them yet.

Agreed.

So your family would tell them to stop any treatment that is keeping you alive while they move you to another hospital? I don't think that would happen. Unless you wanted that to happen of course, but I'm sure they are not even allowed to do that.

[Wig44.]

Lots of people cannot afford private health care, if you don't like it, go back to the USA since most people in the UK are happy with things the NHS. I really hate it when people emmigrate to the UK and then just moan and groan about a much loved service, the NHS, as well as lots of other services. Whilst I think the 'don't like it then go away' attitude isn't great in a lot of situations, in this situation where you're in a significant minority I think you should go home.

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Lots of people cannot afford private health care, if you don't like it, go back to the USA since most people in the UK are happy with things the NHS. I really hate it when people emmigrate to the UK and then just moan and groan about a much loved service, the NHS, as well as lots of other services. Whilst I think the 'don't like it then go away' attitude isn't great in a lot of situations, in this situation where you're in a significant minority I think you should go home.

+REP. Exactly what I was thinking.

[Jordy]

The funny thing is, you have no idea about private healthcare, yet you're the one paying for it (or your family). They don't have private A&Es, you move there when you are in a stable condition.

[Seatherny]

Ohhh I am going to have fun replying to this thread, I am sure of that.

My replies also take into consideration these comments:

Have you ever used the NHS? No, but I know people who have and they can't say anything good about it, they literally despise it.

How many £millions do your parents have / are they rich? I don't like to put a figure to it, but I can say that we have a considerable amount of wealth, yes.

So lets begin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8579322.stm

No way should it of passed.

Just side with Republicans all the time, and people should help themselves, not get the taxpayers to pay for everything especially for an economy in the toilet.

So basically you like everything the Republicans say? So you are incapable of forming your own opinions? So if Republicans say "lets kill everyone who is in the U.K. right this moment" you will support them 100%? Great to know you have such a great thinking .

Was born in the USA, family live there. And Health Care is very expensive, why should people who work hard pay for people's health care when all they do is sit on their lazy butts and do nothing to help the economy.

Do Soldiers sit on their lazy butt doing nothing? In your world they must be doing nothing at all. An average soldier in the United Kingdom (btw soldiers are the people who put their life at risk for their country .. not sure if private schools teach people that or just how to boast about their parents money) earns £25,000 a year. Research by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (mannn bet they didn't teach you at in your golden school ... ask for a refund) found that a family consisting of a couple and four children need £26,425.36 a year in living costs. Uh oh, the soldier who does nothing all day is screwed! Btw that is without private NHS, education for kids etc.

Lets say the couple had 3 children, then they need £24216.92 per year in living costs. Ohhh the lucky soldier! He has enough in living costs ... but if we had your way ... you know, private everything, the soldier can save a whopping £783.08 if his family never got ill or wanted education. Sounds good for a dude who does nothing eh?

Lets say he had two children. His family would need £19,242.60 per year. Not bad eh? Lets say it costs him £1,200 for BUPA for his whole family. Then two kids. Well I am sure they wont mind not having education. I mean its only £9,240 per year per kid.

Go and try and find a job. Its not easy. Even with amazing qualifications, people are unable to find jobs.

I just really don't believe in the benefit system, I don't like the fact that my hard earned cash could go to help other people.

Your hard earned cash? Don't make me laugh. Your families probably.

Both of those we have privately. x

Well done .

The NHS is reeked with problems I would never go with them. You get the lowest quality care, because your just another number and statistic in the NHS, whereas private they need your business so they care for you. Which is why I prefer it. Why not put money towards plans to regenerate other things like Internet speeds for one, or trains etc.. Money is needed there more than a healthcare system which fails

You would never go with them? I am sure for some things with BUPA, you need NHS referral first. NHS does suck. I mean America's health care is WAYYYYYY better than crappy NHS. I mean thats why UK's NHS is ranked higher than the American health care. Damn, fire the idiot who put UK higher on the list. Must have gone to a public school so must have gotten crappy education. Or maybeee he used the free NHS and they gave him crap treatment and messed his brains up.

So you would never go with the NHS? So basically you will sit at home and do nothing if you got any of these (because BUPA doesn't treat for these):

* Ageing, menopause and puberty
* AIDS / HIV‡
* Allergies or allergic disorders
* Birth control, conception, sexual problems and sex changes‡
* Chronic conditions‡
* Complications from excluded or restricted conditions / treatment
* Convalescence, rehabilitation and general nursing care‡
* Cosmetic, reconstructive or weight loss treatment‡
* Deafness
* Dental / oral treatment (such as fillings, gum disease, jaw shrinkage etc)‡
* Dialysis‡
* Drugs and dressings for out-patient or take-home use‡
* Experimental drugs and treatment‡
* Treatment to correct eyesight (eg long or short sight)‡
* HRT and bone densitometry‡
* Learning difficulties, behavioural and developmental problems
* Overseas treatment and repatriation
* Physical aids and devices‡
* Pre-existing or special conditions
* Pregnancy and childbirth‡
* Screening and preventive treatment
* Sleep problems and disorders
* Speech disorders‡
* Temporary relief of symptoms‡
* Unrecognised providers or facilities

Lets hope you mum never gets pregnant or any of your family members or they will have to use that awful thing called the NHS.
Lets also hope no one's kidney fails ... (its the thing needed when a person's kidney fails ... what have those private schools done? You should really demand a refund!!).

Bupa.



Health Insurance isn't exactly an arm and a leg, nowadays it's actually really cheap, so there is no reason people can't afford it. And I don't believe in this, well to a small degree I do (which'll make me sounds snobbish), but have you ever heard of Social Cleansing, where basically the elite survive and the poorest of the poor, who contribute nothing to society don't?

Wait wait wait! Health insurance is cheap!??! You just said "And Health Care is very expensive" a few posts ago? Are you sure you are ok? Maybe the evil NHS people kidnapped you in your sleep and messed up your thoughts? We have already established that you are unable to form your own opinions, now contradictions too? Wow.
I have already explained that an average British family cannot afford private health care and education for their kids at the same time so no need to answer the latter part of your post.
And Social Cleansing? Well technically, you will be poor in comparison to Bill Gates, so I guess you will be dead in the next batch of "social cleansing" then?

America's health care system had amazing health care? And America was the world's most powerful country, the biggest MEDC. So believe it or not you don't need FREE health care to be an MEDC. And the government should just let them die, no offence, if they contribute nothing to the country themselves. It's people's kindness that saves other people. And in Japan, you have to pay for certain things in their health care. And they have the best in the world!?

*offense. Seriously, go ask for a refund on the private education.

With no NHS, there is no need for as high tax as we have now? So people would have money still... And yes we are in a recession so why should a government be wasting billions on the the NHS.

And I would prefer them to check my records, and my family if they find out they can request that the NHS stop their treatment and move me to a Private Hospital, which they would certainly do.

He is having a heart attack. QUICK GET ME HIS FILE BEFORE I TOUCH HIM! Whats your name? HE ISNT ANSWERING. TAKE A PHOTO OF HIM AND opss he is dead. Oh well.

-Middle of a major surgery-
He wants his BUPA. Stop the surgery. Leave him how he is. Let BUPA come and take him. If he dies then oh well.

I think you and Undertaker should agree to disagree because it is starting to become a little personal. I love Undertakers political views and really hope he is going to try for a career in politics and whether you agree with his views or not we need a very broad spectrum of people who ask the difficult questions as our MP's will not tell you anything unless you ask and then lie.

I actually hope he doesn't. He just shoots down peoples opinions if they are different to his. He refuses to even consider it. We don't need MP's with that kind of an attitude.

Well when I do provide various polls and sources on your request, you just rubbish them anyway. Its lose lose for me.

So do you (with lame excuses) when we provide them.

Actually I wouldn't go to an NHS Hospital, I'll be going to my nearest private Hospital if it was something like that it'll have to be one with an A&E Unit, which the nearest to me is further than my Private Hospital.

Well I guess a different country then ...
No private A&E in U.K.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I actually hope he doesn't. He just shoots down peoples opinions if they are different to his. He refuses to even consider it. We don't need MP's with that kind of an attitude.

We already have MPs with that attitude, the only difference would be that i'm for the majority whereas they are always pandering to the minority.

So do you (with lame excuses) when we provide them.

You have never provided any sources to me from memory in any debate, usually because when I say something for instance like 'Most British people want to leave the EU' and provide numerous polls for you on your request, you just steam roll right past them. Although you and the MPs I suppose share that same quality, the quality to be totally ignorant even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

As for the private vs national its only a matter of time to those who are totally against private healthcare because we are (fact) heading for a demographic crisis that the NHS will not be able to survive. You are not denied health in the perfect system of private because the insurance would be compulsory for everyone to buy and it would also be illegal for the insurance companies to; a) raise the prices above a set price and b) turn anyone away.