Polish President dies in plane crash

[kuzkasate]

Who made the choice to go 4 times anyway? Pilots or the president? Either way, they picked what they wanted without asking the other crew passengers.

[Jordy]

Who made the choice to go 4 times anyway? Pilots or the president? Either way, they picked what they wanted without asking the other crew passengers.

Hmm well I think some Black Boxes keep a record of audio between the pilots so we'll know then I assume. I very much doubt the president would be involved in such a decision, and it's highly inappropriate if he was consulted. The pilots should be incharge.

[kuzkasate]

Hmm well I think some Black Boxes keep a record of audio between the pilots so we'll know then I assume. I very much doubt the president would be involved in such a decision, and it's highly inappropriate if he was consulted. The pilots should be incharge.

Idiotic pilots then. They weren't carrying any old people, it was their bloody president.

[xxMATTGxx]

Would be interesting on what the recorders do pick up. I do feel that the pilots should of done what was right and listened to the ATC commands rather then following what the people on board wanted. (If that's what they did of course)

* Lech Kaczynski, the President of Poland
* Maria Kaczynska, the first lady
* Ryszard Kaczorowski, the last President of the Polish government-in-exile
* Jerzy Szmajdzinski, Deputy speaker of Sejm (Polish Parliament)
* Wladyslaw Stasiak, Minister of Internal Affairs and Administration
* Aleksander Szczyglo, head of the National Security Bureau
* Pawel Wypych, Secretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland
* Mariusz Handzlik, Undersectretary of State for International Affairs
* Andrzej Kremer, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
* Stanislaw Komorowski, deputy minister of national defence
* Grzegorz Dolniak, member of the Sejm
* Przemyslaw Gosiewski, Deputy Prime Minister of Poland
* Zbigniew Wassermann, member of the Sejm
* Janusz Kochanowski, Polish Ombudsman
* Slawomir Skrzypek, President of the National Bank of Poland
* Janusz Kurtyka, Historian and president of the Institute of National Remembrance
* Andrzej Przewoznik, Secretary-General of Rada Ochrony Pamie;ci Walk i Me;czen'stwa
* Tomasz Merta, chief historical conservator
* Bishop Tadeusz Ploski

Gen. Franciszek Gagor, chief of the General Staff
Gen. Bronislaw Kwiatkowski (Commander Operations)
Gen. Andrew Blasik (Air Force Commander in Chief)
Gen. Tadeusz Buk (Commander of Land Forces)
Gen. Wojciech Potasinski (Commander of Special Forces)
Vice Admiral Andrzej Karweta (Commander in Chief of the Polish Navy)
Gen. Casimir Gilarski (Commander, Training)

And others.

I think Poland need to think hard when they are travelling key people in the government. Don't go all in the same plane/vehicle and so on like other governments or big companies do!

[AlexOC]

Its like the two only people in the world who know the exact recipe to Coca Cola. They can never be in the same place at once, incase something else happens, and one dies. The other one then tells someone else.

R.I.P

[Jordy]

Just been reading up on it a bit more, it really is astonishing they were all on the same flight;
"The list of casualties from the downed Polish Air Force jet would be comparable to the United States losing the President, First Lady, Sec. of State, Sec. of Defense, Chiefs of Staff from the Army and Navy, Speaker of the House, Director of National Intelligence, Director of the FBI, Chairman of the Federal Reserve, and more than a dozen members of Congress- all from a single plane crash."

[kuzkasate]

Just saw on the Russian news that it was the pilots decision to land. They also said that once, the president had to be somewhere urgently and he told the pilot to land what ever it takes, even if they were defo gonna crash. The pilot didnt fancy that, so he landed in Uzkekistan. The president threatend to get him arrested.

Also, they missed the landing mark by 300metres. I saw the animation of what happened. The pilot went below the minimum, so he went way too low & the left wing crashed into a tree which caused them to fall and then the plane blew up.

[Yoshimitsui]

Just saw on the Russian news that it was the pilots decision to land. They also said that once, the president had to be somewhere urgently and he told the pilot to land what ever it takes, even if they were defo gonna crash. The pilot didnt fancy that, so he landed in Uzkekistan. The president threatend to get him arrested.

Also, they missed the landing mark by 300metres. I saw the animation of what happened. The pilot went below the minimum, so he went way too low & the left wing crashed into a tree which caused them to fall and then the plane blew up.

Exactly as i thought, both the president and the Captain are complete morons for going against extreme weather conditions. If the statement is true about him saying 'attempt a landing even if we crash', well how could someone of such a status be ignorant of so many lives.

[Jordy]

Exactly as i thought, both the president and the Captain are complete morons for going against extreme weather conditions. If the statement is true about him saying 'attempt a landing even if we crash', well how could someone of such a status be ignorant of so many lives.

Hmm well there is one explanation going round. The President has apparently had a right go at pilots before who have landed at other places than their intended destination. The Russians were also reluctant about the idea of the Polish coming to Russian for the anniversary of the event. What's going on here is that when the Russians said to land in Minsk (Belarus) rather than in Russia, the President interepreted this as an attempt by Russia to snub Poland and therefore asked the pilots to continue to Russia, in defiance sort of. Because the pilot didn't want to get into trouble with the President it's likely he obliged, hence this incident. I've read this a few times and apparently The Times also carries a similar story, it certainly sounds a reasonable explanation to the pilot's stupid activities. The fault still lies with the pilot of course, although the president somewhat had it coming with such an attitude.

[kuzkasate]

Hmm well there is one explanation going round. The President has apparently had a right go at pilots before who have landed at other places than their intended destination. The Russians were also reluctant about the idea of the Polish coming to Russian for the anniversary of the event. What's going on here is that when the Russians said to land in Minsk (Belarus) rather than in Russia, the President interepreted this as an attempt by Russia to snub Poland and therefore asked the pilots to continue to Russia, in defiance sort of. Because the pilot didn't want to get into trouble with the President it's likely he obliged, hence this incident. I've read this a few times and apparently The Times also carries a similar story, it certainly sounds a reasonable explanation to the pilot's stupid activities. The fault still lies with the pilot of course, although the president somewhat had it coming with such an attitude.

Its quite silly really. There were 3 planes due to land. One landed fine, after that the weather for very bad & the next landing due to take place was a Russian Navy Plane. Now if Russian Army couldnt land and had to fly back, why on earth did they even attempt a landing?