Has the Labour Party lost its appeal in the UK? [ENDS 25/04/2010]

[Frodo13.]

I'm sorry, but every single party would take wealth from us. Need I mention the Conservative tendency to take from the poor and vunrable and plough that cash into their wealthy business interests. No wonder all these business leaders support the Conservatives on massive public sector cuts, it don't affect them in the slightest.

On Labour creating big government, I actually agree. But to be honast, that is purely just an ideological left wing belief for centuries, and whether you agree with that compleatly depends on what you believe in. Obviously, as you support a party that is fairly far on the right, your not going to believe in big government, which is understandable.

And once again, look up what socialism is. If this government were truely practising socialism on us, then this money wouldn't be going into government, this money would be being distributed equally amongst the population. As I said in my previous post, do some research on socialism before you throw the tag around!

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm sorry, but every single party would take wealth from us. Need I mention the Conservative tendency to take from the poor and vunrable and plough that cash into their wealthy business interests. No wonder all these business leaders support the Conservatives on massive public sector cuts, it don't affect them in the slightest.

On Labour creating big government, I actually agree. But to be honast, that is purely just an ideological left wing belief for centuries, and whether you agree with that compleatly depends on what you believe in. Obviously, as you support a party that is fairly far on the right, your not going to believe in big government, which is understandable.

And once again, look up what socialism is. If this government were truely practising socialism on us, then this money wouldn't be going into government, this money would be being distributed equally amongst the population. As I said in my previous post, do some research on socialism before you throw the tag around!

What can you and the left in general not understand about the fact that we aretotally and utterly skint - we have no money left. The business leaders and business in general around the United Kingdom produces wealth, the public sector does not. So yes, their opinions do matter because without them you end up with more people depending on the state and thus the state has to raise taxes to fund people just to keep them going which in turn harms business even futher. This totally typical class war subject you have attempted to bring up bears no depth and infact its always been under Labour that the poor have been the worst off - because under Labour governments they end up unemployed with no work and having to scrape a living off benefits because Labour had/has driven all the jobs away.

The Conservatives have never taken from the poor and ploughed it into wealthy business because they are firstly not an investor and secondly they are traditionally the friends of small business which makes up for most business in the United Kingdom. We need taxes, nobody is saying we do not - however taxing people because they have done good/taxing people more and more regardless does not create prosperity and wealth - it creates misery and poverty which brings us onto socialism.

Socialism is this, socialism is not equality because socialism as you tend to describe it doesnt exist and cannot exist. The socialist states/parties that have all existed and put their socialism on the people have put socialism on the people successfully by removing their wealth and making everybody generally equal in poverty and misery (except the ruling class of course, they had food on the table for their family). More tax = business lays off workers = more people unemployed = taxes rise again to fund the unemployed = business/the consumer suffers futher and lays more people off = more unemployed = taxes rise to fund the growing unemployed and so on.

[Jordy]

I'm sorry, but every single party would take wealth from us. Need I mention the Conservative tendency to take from the poor and vunrable and plough that cash into their wealthy business interests. No wonder all these business leaders support the Conservatives on massive public sector cuts, it don't affect them in the slightest.

On Labour creating big government, I actually agree. But to be honast, that is purely just an ideological left wing belief for centuries, and whether you agree with that compleatly depends on what you believe in. Obviously, as you support a party that is fairly far on the right, your not going to believe in big government, which is understandable.

And once again, look up what socialism is. If this government were truely practising socialism on us, then this money wouldn't be going into government, this money would be being distributed equally amongst the population. As I said in my previous post, do some research on socialism before you throw the tag around!

Of course all parties would take money off us, tax is needed for the police, roads, military, NHS etc. However the Labour government is just wasting ridiculous amounts on red tape. First of all taxing people ridiculous amounts and then giving it back to people in the form of various benefits and the winter fuel allowance etc. While this money is going through the treasury, a high percentage of it is lost. Beforehand tax was a lot less and as a result, everyone was a lot richer, and yes that includes the working class which the Labour party allegedly "fights for".

As Undertaker has correctly pointed out, it is the private sector which generates the wealth. If you tax them a lot they will simply run off to other countries or you will make it incredibly difficult for people to start up new businesses, the Conservative party has certain policies dealing with this however let's not get distracted by this seeing as this is about the Labour Party. The public sector does not generate wealth and has grown enormously under Labour, now 51% of jobs are with the public sector which is no good at all for the country.

I'm afraid you cannot denounce Thatcher, the Labour Party has not reversed her economic policies, why is this? Because they agree with them that is why. Lord Mandelson who was one of the main people behind New Labour has himself claimed "We are all thatcherites now".

You mention how big government is all part of the lefts ideology which does consist of Socialism and always has been part of the Left for "centuries" and you'll also find socialism is the prequel to communism, and we all know how successful that was? It failed for Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. China has pretty much given up on it, it's only North Korea who remains a communist nation and they have millions starving? The left clearly does not work, whether it's in the form of the Soviet Union, Labour in the 70s or this so-called "New Labour!". The most successful nation is the USA and that is purely right-wing, revelling in the joys of capitalism, look no further than that.