EU comes clean and admits 75%+ of all laws in Europe come from the EU

[alexxxxx]

'..we would not be the legislator of 75% of all laws in Europe' - he is not saying within the European Union, he is saying very clearly infact that they legislate on 75% of all laws in Europe which is soon to be 100% with Lisbon - infact it can only mean that because Lisbon actually removes national vetoes in numerous areas and takes nation state powers away and hands them to the European Union. So he is right in saying that because Lisbon is self-amending and they have already moved to seize control of national economic powers and already have control of most of our social powers;- infact the only area they still really lack in is monetary and government budgets which they are already moving to secure by 'harmonising taxes' across the European Union.

If we are to go along that road then, the United Kingdom should be something rather similar to Germany with the Welsh Assembly, Scottish Parliament and Northern Irish Assembly all being devolved powers and being similary independent from Westminister just as the federal states of Germany have autonomy from the Federal government. These are facts and the fact is that the figures given by the German government are very comparable to the United Kingdom as they are both devolved in areas and are countries of a comparable size, the only real difference being that Germany has lost her monetary sovereignty whereas the United Kingdom has not.

No not every report is done by Westminister, hence why I believe the German report more so. Anything to do with government in this country cannot be trusted and its figures cannot be trusted either, the political jest 'independent' inquires of the invasion of Iraq show this also.

Then he should pull out, just as the vast majority of the British people want to happen.

all you've done is prove that you won't listen to facts in this post. well done. :eusa_clap

[-:Undertaker:-]

all you've done is prove that you won't listen to facts in this post. well done. :eusa_clap

I have listened to the facts and its you whom is ignoring them, I have just said that that German study holds water and is comparable to the United Kingdom because of devolution - it was you who attempted to brush it aside by being up German federalism and now you refuse to reply to the points concerning devolution and how the figure does infact hold water and has weight behind it as Germany and the United Kingdom are comparable no matter how you attempt to make it out.

[MrPinkPanther]

As has been said several times the German system works completely differently to the British system. Parallels simply cannot be drawn. Every independent analysis that I have seen have put the figure under 30%, usually around the 10-20% mark. What you are saying is pure fiction because you don't know the context in which he says "Europe"

[-:Undertaker:-]

As has been said several times the German system works completely differently to the British system. Parallels simply cannot be drawn. Every independent analysis that I have seen have put the figure under 30%, usually around the 10-20% mark. What you are saying is pure fiction because you don't know the context in which he says "Europe"

And I have stated many times how the devolved British system is very comparable to the German federal system. The independent studies even at 10% are too high although we know the Liberal Democrats would be quite content with signing it all away and joining the euro regardless of what the public think (just like you abandoned your pledge on the Lisbon Treaty as a party). The former President of the Parliament clearly says Europe as referring to the nation states otherwise he would of said the European Union, afterall they are all such proud federalists there happy with their little unelected empire which hasnt had its audits checked for over a decade.

[alexxxxx]

http://cdu-europa.de/blog/2009/06/03...mme-abzugeben/

translate into english and you'll see that what he says is that:

These elections determine the composition of the European Parliament in the next five years. Currently, the European Parliament will decide jointly with the Council of Ministers on 75% of European Union law and thus plays a direct impact on our daily lives. The higher the turnout, the less likely it is that distort the voting results of the election of extremist parties.

this does not mean in any way that 75% of all laws are from the EU. This means the 75% of the laws are legislated along with the parliament.

Please stop lying UKIP. There are dozens of news stories that back this up. Not to mention that this is a statement from almost a YEAR ago (just before the elections).

[Bun]

oh my god you still believe all this rubbish?

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://cdu-europa.de/blog/2009/06/03...mme-abzugeben/

translate into english and you'll see that what he says is that:

this does not mean in any way that 75% of all laws are from the EU. This means the 75% of the laws are legislated along with the parliament.

Please stop lying UKIP. There are dozens of news stories that back this up. Not to mention that this is a statement from almost a YEAR ago (just before the elections).

How can and why would anybody believe the European Union?

I mean lets just use these two examples one of which it says it is transparent despite the fact it has not had its audits signed off for the last decade or more which means hundreds of billions of taxpayers money are potentially missing (most likely in the offshore bank accounts of the Commissioners and other senior EU officals). To add to this on the second point, lets quote this which comes from the mouth of one of the EUs architects, historian Arnold Torynbee.

We are at present working discreetly but with all our might to wrest this musterious political force called sovereignty out of the clutches of local national states, and all the time, we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands - because to impugn the sovereignty of local national states is still a hearsy.... Sovereignty will cease in fact is not in name to be a local affair.

Another one of the European Unions architects and senior officals was Jean Monnet, who, one month before Edward Heath was elected British Prime Minister, was briefed by Jean Monnet via letter along with the instructions of Toynbee and then set about forcing the British nation state into the European Union. Heath followed the orders of Monnet and Toynbee to the teeth which were to lie lie lie lie and lie some more if need be to impose their will on the people. He said time and time again that the EEC was no more than a trade association, a government White paper assured everyone that 'there is no question of any erosion of essential national sovereignty' - Heath later admitted in retirement that a European Superstate was on the cards and was planned and he knew it at the time.

This is no conspiracy, it has been cleverly done and now we are many many years ahead from the 1970s with on one hand, a German report saying 84% and on the other you are giving me links to government reports that state a mere 10% of our laws are made in Brussels, so you will see why I do not take much by these reports. The whole project has been very very cleverly engineered and by the time the only Prime Minister who opposed it realised it, the Europhile attack dogs had gone after her. Tony Blair himself also opposed the EEC and the European Union calling for our withdrawal, how strange that once entering Number 10 Downing Street his views changed overnight.

So between the European Union and British government VS UKIP and a German study, who do I believe?
UKIP.

oh my god you still believe all this rubbish?

Yes and its quite documented this is the plan [European superstate], unless you have evidence or quotes to say otherwise which I await in your reply.

[alexxxxx]

How can and why would anybody believe the European Union?

I mean lets just use these two examples one of which it says it is transparent despite the fact it has not had its audits signed off for the last decade or more which means hundreds of billions of taxpayers money are potentially missing (most likely in the offshore bank accounts of the Commissioners and other senior EU officals). To add to this on the second point, lets quote this which comes from the mouth of one of the EUs architects, historian Arnold Torynbee.

We are at present working discreetly but with all our might to wrest this musterious political force called sovereignty out of the clutches of local national states, and all the time, we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands - because to impugn the sovereignty of local national states is still a hearsy.... Sovereignty will cease in fact is not in name to be a local affair.

So you're quoting someone who died in 1975? Someone who died only 2 years after UK even joined - somehow is an architect of the EU. You are mad - honestly.

Another one of the European Unions architects and senior officals was Jean Monnet, who, one month before Edward Heath was elected British Prime Minister, was briefed by Jean Monnet via letter along with the instructions of Toynbee and then set about forcing the British nation state into the European Union. Heath followed the orders of Monnet and Toynbee to the teeth which were to lie lie lie lie and lie some more if need be to impose their will on the people. He said time and time again that the EEC was no more than a trade association, a government White paper assured everyone that 'there is no question of any erosion of essential national sovereignty' - Heath later admitted in retirement that a European Superstate was on the cards and was planned and he knew it at the time.

This is no conspiracy, it has been cleverly done and now we are many many years ahead from the 1970s with on one hand, a German report saying 84% and on the other you are giving me links to government reports that state a mere 10% of our laws are made in Brussels, so you will see why I do not take much by these reports. The whole project has been very very cleverly engineered and by the time the only Prime Minister who opposed it realised it, the Europhile attack dogs had gone after her. Tony Blair himself also opposed the EEC and the European Union calling for our withdrawal, how strange that once entering Number 10 Downing Street his views changed overnight.

So between the European Union and British government VS UKIP and a German study, who do I believe?
UKIP.

Yes and its quite documented this is the plan [European superstate], unless you have evidence or quotes to say otherwise which I await in your reply.

Please quote the reputable source where this information can be found - or has it all been deleted off the internet? Quotes lifted off conspiracy websites don't count.

So WHAT DOES IT TAKE to produce some sort of evidence that is somehow 'valid' for you? Is it something written in the mail/express cause I honestly think the press you read is screwing up your sense of reality. I give you some sort of decent evidence to support a claim, but it cannot be true because it is the EU and everything you say about the EU is always 100% correct even when it quite clearly isn't. UKIP supporters are quite clearly mad.

[Bun]

i'm not even religious but i am seriously considering praying for you.