iPad..

[xxMATTGxx]

My Nexus One has flash..

Just bought both Also got Keynote, Pages and Numbers!



HTML5 all the way please.

Yes to Javascript and HTML5 but they should still support Flash.

Well, no site I visit used Flash tbh, and if it does, I can live without it

No harm in supporting a one-popular type of format though, but if you have no use it for it, then fair dos

I do disagree with Apple's ban on Flash, but I don't use it..

40% of the internet still uses Flash, I'd rather a device that caters for current standards instead of the (fairly distant) future.

Apple still should of supported flash. Yes it may not be the future but Flash is being used "today" and so come on Apple, stop being stupid and actually support popular formats!

[Homosexual]

I woke up today to find a TNT van outside my house with a smiling man carrying an iPad towards my door.

[Barmi]

40% of the internet still uses Flash, I'd rather a device that caters for current standards instead of the (fairly distant) future.

Yeah, I can pull statistics out of my backside too.

Apple still should of supported flash. Yes it may not be the future but Flash is being used "today" and so come on Apple, stop being stupid and actually support popular formats!

You're forgetting that it's a joint onus on both Apple and Adobe. If Apple had said 'hey yeah, let's support Flash', it wouldn't magically be there. Adobe have only just released a botched attempt on Android, LONG after it was first promised. Apple would not have settled for something like the current Android implementation, so there is absolutely no guarantee we would have a Flash player on the iPhone even now.

The only Flash content I use is a few video sites which don't have HTML5 alternatives yet. I have a plugin to block Flash and I certainly don't feel like I'm missing out.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah, I can pull statistics out of my backside too.


You're forgetting that it's a joint onus on both Apple and Adobe. If Apple had said 'hey yeah, let's support Flash', it wouldn't magically be there. Adobe have only just released a botched attempt on Android, LONG after it was first promised. Apple would not have settled for something like the current Android implementation, so there is absolutely no guarantee we would have a Flash player on the iPhone even now.

The only Flash content I use is a few video sites which don't have HTML5 alternatives yet. I have a plugin to block Flash and I certainly don't feel like I'm missing out.

I guess you haven't read the words "BETA" after the flash player version yeah? It's still in the works and obviously it will not be 100% good enough yet. I'm not saying it would be on any of them devices ASAP, it would have been nice for them to allow Adobe put flash on there. But hey this is Apple and while Steve Jobs is working there, there will be no change.

[Recursion]

Yeah, I can pull statistics out of my backside too.


You're forgetting that it's a joint onus on both Apple and Adobe. If Apple had said 'hey yeah, let's support Flash', it wouldn't magically be there. Adobe have only just released a botched attempt on Android, LONG after it was first promised. Apple would not have settled for something like the current Android implementation, so there is absolutely no guarantee we would have a Flash player on the iPhone even now.

The only Flash content I use is a few video sites which don't have HTML5 alternatives yet. I have a plugin to block Flash and I certainly don't feel like I'm missing out.

Funnily enough that statistic wasn't pulled out of my arse, ArsTechnica, TechCrunch or one of the major news sites (can't remember which one I was reading about it on) quoted the figure.

Botched attempt? It works just fine, people are watching Hulu and all sorts of Flash content, because Android is open and not under the control of a nazi institution, who dislikes you watching porn on your phone, dislikes the fact people would be able to play flash games and work around the app store... funny that.

Huh? I played Angry Birds HD on a 14 hour flight (for basically the whole flight) and by the time I got off the flight I still had like 45% battery left..

I also haven't chipped mine yet (and I've had it for quite a while now) but I have dented the edge as I dropped it in the airport lol. So unless you drop it a lot then it won't chip/scratch easily.

Lucky mine has little chips along the silver edges. I get about 20 hrs tops, too.

[Shawnstra]

I've gotten one sent over from the US 3 weeks ago, and I must say i'm loving it. I'll hopefully get the new iPhone out in June as my contract runs out (I never upgraded to the 3GS, only have 3G).

For those of you who get it, seriously, I expected to be floored and wowed throughout while using it. But seriously, after 5 minutes, you completely forget that it's an iPad and you just focus on your games/internet/etc.

[Barmi]

I guess you haven't read the words "BETA" after the flash player version yeah? It's still in the works and obviously it will not be 100% good enough yet. I'm not saying it would be on any of them devices ASAP, it would have been nice for them to allow Adobe put flash on there. But hey this is Apple and while Steve Jobs is working there, there will be no change.

Steve Jobs has gone back on his word many times. I do not worship him and I do realise when he contradicts himself, but he's put forward some very valid points re Flash; points which other big hitters have agreed with. Apple would not want a Flash beta hurting their platform, or causing it to burn through even more battery usage, or having another layer of abstraction between Apple and developers.

Re your belief that Flash should be supported everywhere regardless of its criticisms... that would only prolong its life past what is necessary. By pushing for the adoption of new technologies, Apple has helped (along with other big hitters) speed up this development process. If Apple had opened up to Flash (and assuming Adobe could have produced something decent in less time than it's taken so far), there would be little point Apple saying 'Flash is supported, but we believe in the use of new technologies'. They just wanted to push, and they were the only ones with the balls at the time to do it.

It's not a ridiculous thing to do at all, and it's something they do quite regularly to pave the way for adoption of new technologies. They were one of the first to drop floppy drives from their line-up, when floppies were near the end of their hay-day but still considered 'standard'. If you just look to Apple's stance on OS updates, you'll see they're not one for supporting legacy software or hardware. Argue with it all you want, but that's their business practice and their approach to Flash is no different. Clearly they're doing something right, because they're shipping **** loads of iPhones and iPads, and their share value is phenomenal.

Funnily enough that statistic wasn't pulled out of my arse, ArsTechnica, TechCrunch or one of the major news sites (can't remember which one I was reading about it on) quoted the figure.

Botched attempt? It works just fine, people are watching Hulu and all sorts of Flash content, because Android is open and not under the control of a nazi institution, who dislikes you watching porn on your phone, dislikes the fact people would be able to play flash games and work around the app store... funny that.

From what I've also read from ArsTechnica and Engadget, there's lots of Flash content which doesn't work. It's all fine and dandy supporting Flash video, but they could have called it Flash Lite 2.0. Android is open, has been available for this long, and Adobe have only been able to get this far. If it was a fully-fledged Flash player, stable (without crashing) and without causing your device to turn radioactive, I'm sure Apple would be worried. For now, there's still plenty of work to be done.

[Shawnstra]

@Barmi. To add on, the issue with flash is basically rooted in 2 areas. Proprietary and inefficiencies. Now you would think, Apple has the app store, isn't that proprietary too? Well, yes it is. But it's different in the fact that you have a choice. If you don't like the App Store's control, get another phone. However, you can't choose the internet, there's only one. That's why, having Flash, and Adobe control the majority of the rich media online is detrimental to freedom.

[Latour]

I pre-ordered a wifi only one (since I don't see carrying it around with me outside, a phone will do just fine), and it is set to arrive tomorrow. I'll mainly use it for games/internet viewing.

The lack of flash really isn't a big deal to me since very few sites I use require flash. The main online video sites I use now also work in html5, so all is well in that boat. Having said that, I would have liked html5 support, but won't cry myself to sleep without it...

edit;; I cannot wait for iPhone os 4 to be released for it, multitasking is the only feature I really want that it doesn't have...