Israeli forces attack Aid convoy headed for Gaza. - 10 killed

[Technologic]

Criticising Israel equates to anti-semitism apparently....

[FlyingJesus]

Just checked, the word "Jew" has been used an entire THREE TIMES in this thread (well four now) and each time in context so yes I think that definitely means we are all anti-Semites and should be ashamed of our lack of tolerance to terrorist attacks.

[DaveTaylor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPB-RGFdT6Y

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dave is that all you can respond with - that the media has some big conspiracy to brainwash us all?

I dont know whether you understand this conflict or not, but Israel took land from the Mandate of Palestine and established it as its own - that is a fact, just as much as a fact as it is that this boat was in international waters when Israel raided the ship (personally if my ship was being raided by soliders in international waters I would also resist them). In this thread time and time again you have dismissed everything that Israel has done the worst being the nuclear weapons program - I do hope you are not against Iran having their own nuclear weapons because that really would be the height of hypocrisy.

If anything the media is the wrong way around, as shown by the biased in the questions put to George Galloway which I posted earlier.

[alexxxxx]

i have no doubt there are a few weirdos on the ship to gaza, but people who are willing to dedicate themselves to this problem are going to have an extremist view on the world, so im not surprised that there were some glory knives on the boat at all. if the israelies wanted to deal with it calmly (or at least approach it calmly) they should have waited until the ship came into territorial waters in the day time and ask what was going on calmly without any sort of heavy weaponry. a raid at 4am in the morning for heavens sake!?

[DaveTaylor]

Dave is that all you can respond with - that the media has some big conspiracy to brainwash us all?

I dont know whether you understand this conflict or not, but Israel took land from the Mandate of Palestine and established it as its own - that is a fact, just as much as a fact as it is that this boat was in international waters when Israel raided the ship (personally if my ship was being raided by soliders in international waters I would also resist them). In this thread time and time again you have dismissed everything that Israel has done the worst being the nuclear weapons program - I do hope you are not against Iran having their own nuclear weapons because that really would be the height of hypocrisy.

If anything the media is the wrong way around, as shown by the biased in the questions put to George Galloway which I posted earlier.

Undertaker, shut your mouth and learn for once, they are at war, simple, as that, the land is technically no-one's however when the state of Israel was declared it was included with in the agreement but never actually taken at the time. If you listen to the video I posted which is the truth, you'll understand that it was agreed on international waters Israel where and are allowed too for several years to check vessels going into Gaza due to Hamas, the terrorists getting arms from other countries, this has been going on for years, we before the blockade even went up, I think 2003 was the date. You need to understand commando's don't actually raid any ship, they are taught to use friendly fire unless fired upon same as any commando on a British navy ship, I am sorry, but the fact of the matter is if a check like this, which has been done on a daily routine for the less 7 years now, and they are attacked the commando's are going to return fire, it's simple.

Iran can have nuclear weapons all they want, I have no issue with this, the worry is if they threaten Israel with attack of nuclear weapons in the future as I am sorry to say, Israel being Israel really won't give a **** about people at a point like that and will go full out with the army and send everything in.

ps: i'm in a lazy mood tonight so don't expect a prompt response MattGarner is keeping me updated on the thread if anything is needing referred too.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Undertaker, shut your mouth and learn for once, they are at war, simple, as that, the land is technically no-one's however when the state of Israel was declared it was included with in the agreement but never actually taken at the time. If you listen to the video I posted which is the truth, you'll understand that it was agreed on international waters Israel where and are allowed too for several years to check vessels going into Gaza due to Hamas, the terrorists getting arms from other countries, this has been going on for years, we before the blockade even went up, I think 2003 was the date. You need to understand commando's don't actually raid any ship, they are taught to use friendly fire unless fired upon same as any commando on a British navy ship, I am sorry, but the fact of the matter is if a check like this, which has been done on a daily routine for the less 7 years now, and they are attacked the commando's are going to return fire, it's simple.

I will not shut my mouth because numerous time here you have outrightly lied to me. You said from what I recall that the Israelis had clearance from the British government for using British & Austrialian passports for an assasination - that was an outright lie because the governments of Britain and Austrialia did not have clearance and thus expelled Israeli diplomats because of that reason.

The terrorists are getting arms from other countries? - I think you need to turn that around and realise that it is Israel which gets all of its weaponary, its money and expertise from the United States. Infact without the United States happily holding up the state of Israel, it would be toast by now and with good reason from the Arab point of view. The land was not Israel's and belongs to the Palestinian people - while I would like in an ideal world for Israel to cease to exist and for Palestine to regain control of its border I realise this is not possible and that a seperate Palestinian state must be established - however this cannot be done or achieved by Israel attacking and annexing parts of Syria, Lebannon and Palestine in an effort to basically colonise more land in their favour by building new settlements.

Israel also struck Iraqs nuclear plant a few decades ago and condemns (along with the lapdog west) Iran for pursuing a nuclear programme - what right does Israel (a nation not even 100 years old) have over states whose successor states have been there for thousands of years?

You often declare how with issues such as this one, the media has somehow brainwashed everyone into being against Israel - well i'm sorry but when Israel behave like savages its well deserved criticism of Israel and it'll continue because the idea that you can pull the wool over our eyes is very wrong indeed. You say the land does not belong to anybody - the land belongs to Palestine whether you like it or not.

[FlyingJesus]

the land is technically no-one's

Where are you getting this from?

due to Hamas, the terrorists getting arms from other countries, this has been going on for years

Which is different to Israel, the terrorists, getting arms from other countries in what way?

You need to understand commando's don't actually raid any ship, they are taught to use friendly fire

Somehow I don't think they're taught to shoot each other.

Israel being Israel really won't give a **** about people

Most intelligent thing you've said all thread.

[DaveTaylor]

I will not shut my mouth because numerous time here you have outrightly lied to me. You said from what I recall that the Israelis had clearance from the British government for using British & Austrialian passports for an assasination - that was an outright lie because the governments of Britain and Austrialia did not have clearance and thus expelled Israeli diplomats because of that reason.

They expelled them doing the inquest into the situation, they are already back in the country

The terrorists are getting arms from other countries? - I think you need to turn that around and realise that it is Israel which gets all of its weaponary, its money and expertise from the United States. Infact without the United States happily holding up the state of Israel, it would be toast by now and with good reason from the Arab point of view. The land was not Israel's and belongs to the Palestinian people - while I would like in an ideal world for Israel to cease to exist and for Palestine to regain control of its border I realise this is not possible and that a seperate Palestinian state must be established - however this cannot be done or achieved by Israel attacking and annexing parts of Syria, Lebannon and Palestine in an effort to basically colonise more land in their favour by building new settlements.

I am not disagreeing with the fact America funds Israel, but without Israel you wouldn't be sitting at a decent computer, so it counteracts in many ways. The issue with the deeds to the lands will never be settled as it was signed over to Israel after the second world war. The US funds Israel for it's reasons, and it's been proven several times that Iran etc fund arms to terrorist groups so don't even try deny that one.

Israel also struck Iraqs nuclear plant a few decades ago and condemns (along with the lapdog west) Iran for pursuing a nuclear programme - what right does Israel (a nation not even 100 years old) have over states whose successor states have been there for thousands of years?

Israel as a nation has been around for less than 100 years, so has Iraq, Iraq became independent in 1952. Before that it was owned by the British.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They expelled them doing the inquest into the situation, they are already back in the country

You said that Britain had given permission/clearence for the passports to be used - this was false. The British and Austrialian governments did not give Israel permission or clearence to use their passports to take out a leader of Hamas.

I am not disagreeing with the fact America funds Israel, but without Israel you wouldn't be sitting at a decent computer, so it counteracts in many ways. The issue with the deeds to the lands will never be settled as it was signed over to Israel after the second world war. The US funds Israel for it's reasons, and it's been proven several times that Iran etc fund arms to terrorist groups so don't even try deny that one.

I really couldnt care about what part of my computer Israel has or has not invented. I'd give up my computer tommorow if it would establish a Palestinian state. If you are to complain about funding to others then you must also accept that Israel itself is also funded by the United States - so why is Israel perfectly in the right to be given nuclear materials, funding and weapons but Hamas and Palestine dont have that right?. You also state terrorism yet again, but surely Mossad are the terrorists who travel across borders much like the SS and KGB did in the Third Reich and Soviet Union. Or am I wrong because its Israel so it must surely be in the right?

Israel as a nation has been around for less than 100 years, so has Iraq, Iraq became independent in 1952. Before that it was owned by the British.

There is a very big difference. I have mentioned successor states to cover that - read up on successor states and the idea behind it and you'll then understand fully what I said rather than trying to nit pick my last post.