EU fines Britain more than £150 million for not displaying EU propaganda

[Tintinnabulate]

So what you're saying here is that the UK funds the BBC and that's why they won't publish a story about the EU fining us for breaking a contract

That made me lol.

If BBC have no problem to report negatives about themselves, then there is nothing stopping them to do it about others.
Like I said, they broke a contract and should therefore pay the time.

[xxMATTGxx]

Wait has any other news website or channel even posted this like Sky News? Unless they are now funded by the EU. :rolleyes:

[Tintinnabulate]

Wait has any other news website or channel even posted this like Sky News? Unless they are now funded by the EU. :rolleyes:

Didn't you know that all news companies except the Daily Mail is funded by the EU?

[dbgtz]

even if this isnt true, out of eu pls or at least see where our money goes cos i dont see jack.

if it is true they can go **** themselves, the hobos.

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://europa.eu/press_room/search/i...eryText=LISBON

not totally ignored no actually.

I'm sorry but anything that comes out of the European Union is almost guranteed to be a total and utter lie. We were lied to about the Consitution/Lisbon Treaty 'removed the flag etc' they said - they merely bypassed the treaty and pushed it through parliament seperately so we have exactly what the Consitution wanted in the first place. I will just give you a small taste of how untruthful (or deluded we could say) the European Union is;

Taken from Fighting Bull, the Laeken Declaration;

The unification of Europe is near . . . The image of a democratic and globally engaged Europe admirably matches citizens' wishes. There have been frequent public calls for a greater EU role in justice and security, action against cross-border crime, control of migration flows and reception of asylum seekers and refugees from far-flung war zones. Citizens also want results in the fields of employment and combating poverty and social exclusion, as well as in the field of economic and social cohesion.

I mean its not even one bit believe, yourself being a federalist you like to think what the European Union comes out with as truthful and trustworthy but it actually belongs in the world of pure and utter fantasy. To add to this, I cannot find on that site the European Union denying they have fined Great Britain £150 million and even if they did deny it - would I believe them bearing in mind some of the things i've mentioned above? no, should anybody believe anything the EU says or denies? no.

So what you're saying here is that the UK funds the BBC and that's why they won't publish a story about the EU fining us for breaking a contract

Yes, sadly our political elite will not allow us to leave this dreadful project and its crazy - we are paying for ourselves to be told that the EU is great and that the EU funds us.. when in fact we fund the EU.

Wait has any other news website or channel even posted this like Sky News? Unless they are now funded by the EU. :rolleyes:

The BBC is funded by the European Union if you are disputing that fact then you can very easily check up on the number of loans and grants they have recieved from the European Union. Infact none of the mainstream media seem to report anything that goes against the EU because often it denies them internal hearings in the EU itself and sometimes (as with the BBC) threatens funding and grants.

This is why i'm so grateful for the newspapers and the media in general, because without them we would never hear about things such as this or the MPs expenses which the Telegraph investigated and uncovered.

Didn't you know that all news companies except the Daily Mail is funded by the EU?

The BBC is funded by the EU.

Other news companies such as the likes of the newspapers are not, even the Guardian newspaper doesnt seem keen on the European Union and it doesnt appear to be funded by the EU either.

[alexxxxx]

I cannot find on that site the European Union denying they have fined Great Britain £150 million and even if they did deny it - would I believe them bearing in mind some of the things i've mentioned above? no, should anybody believe anything the EU says or denies? no.

Come on now, every single 'report' of this on the internet just says 'it is reported by the daily mail that...' and there is no source shown in the mail article itself. why does the EU have to repute every single lie that is told by tabloid newspapers or common misconceptions? they should say what they do, not what they are doing. the people who read tabloids don't care anyway, they just want their little minds filled with easy to read rubbish which is consistent with their point of view, already carved into them by half truths, misconceptions and lies spewed at them in order to make money.

The EU is there to do jobs like this - http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...guiLanguage=en, sort out multinationals who break rules across borders and harmonise regulations.

Get real.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Come on now, every single 'report' of this on the internet just says 'it is reported by the daily mail that...' and there is no source shown in the mail article itself. why does the EU have to repute every single lie that is told by tabloid newspapers or common misconceptions? they should say what they do, not what they are doing. the people who read tabloids don't care anyway, they just want their little minds filled with easy to read rubbish which is consistent with their point of view, already carved into them by half truths, misconceptions and lies spewed at them in order to make money.

The EU is there to do jobs like this - http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...guiLanguage=en, sort out multinationals who break rules across borders and harmonise regulations.

Get real.

Because the Mail most likely is the one who investigated this - just as with expenses, it all led back to the Telegraph. I believe the European Union does have a website/department which actually operates to put down these so called 'euromyths' so it does actually do what you claim it does not - it spends hundreds of millions every year on propaganda campaigns and public relation schemes and works very hard on them. I have said before, how its been done is very clever - it is done via stealth.

The second link you have given, oh what a poor example. The United Kingdom could easily do these small things regardless, and the negatives still vastly outweigh and positives (which could be done by ourselves anyway). The EU is there to do exactly what I have stated and what people such as yourself want; a federal Europe via the backdoor. I have just stated the Laeken declaration and its actually beyond belief its so deluded in publishing that - whether or not yourself and the EU believe this stuff is beyond me, but it must be self-delusion.


..I mean we could go on all night;


- I refer to the fishing policy (complete disaster, possibly the worst enviromental disaster that has occured in the history of humanity where millions of fish are thrown back dead in British waters each year).

- The diasterous CAP policy which pays farmers not to farm, which dumps masses of food on African markets putting African farmers out of business.

- The auditing of the EU and its structure, undemocratic and unaccountable - convicted fraudsters, communists and unelected nutjobs in general deciding the laws for over 400 million people.

+countless others.



If the people want a federal Europe then I will accept that, aslong as we get the chance to take that decision and not have it done for us. But what you and the eurocrats in Brussels are pushing for in the way that you are is totally wrong and undemocratic. You have called yourself a libertarian in the past from what I recall? well as a fellow libertarian i'd ask; just please let the peoples of Europe decide their destiny and not have it done via stealth.

[alexxxxx]

Because the Mail most likely is the one who investigated this - just as with expenses, it all led back to the Telegraph. I believe the European Union does have a website/department which actually operates to put down these so called 'euromyths' so it does actually do what you claim it does not - it spends hundreds of millions every year on propaganda campaigns and public relation schemes and works very hard on them. I have said before, how its been done is very clever - it is done via stealth.

indeed it does have a page with some on - http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.htm that doesn't mean that's an end-all.

The second link you have given, oh what a poor example. The United Kingdom could easily do these small things regardless, and the negatives still vastly outweigh and positives (which could be done by ourselves anyway). The EU is there to do exactly what I have stated and what people such as yourself want; a federal Europe via the backdoor. I have just stated the Laeken declaration and its actually beyond belief its so deluded in publishing that - whether or not yourself and the EU believe this stuff is beyond me, but it must be self-delusion.

In what way is it a poor example? Does the UK have the power to investigate in different states? Would it be able to get all the evidence to expose such a price-fix without cross-border support? Would it be able to enforce such penalties on companies which may not be based within the UK at all? I'm not convinced.

- I refer to the fishing policy (complete disaster, possibly the worst enviromental disaster that has occured in the history of humanity where millions of fish are thrown back dead in British waters each year).

- The diasterous CAP policy which pays farmers not to farm, which dumps masses of food on African markets putting African farmers out of business.

- The auditing of the EU and its structure, undemocratic and unaccountable - convicted fraudsters, communists and unelected nutjobs in general deciding the laws for over 400 million people.

+countless others.

I don't say i agree with everything in what it does, infact it would be stupid to do so.

and to say the EU does not publish things we wouldn't want to see, this Eurobarometer report doesn't exactly show we're all EU-lovers here:

http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pd...t_approved.pdf
http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pd...y_approved.pdf
infact, pretty much the opposite.

do you think that's rubbish too?

[-:Undertaker:-]

indeed it does have a page with some on - http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.htm that doesn't mean that's an end-all.

Well the Mail being the second best selling paper in Great Britain, i'd expect them to list that up there.

In what way is it a poor example? Does the UK have the power to investigate in different states? Would it be able to get all the evidence to expose such a price-fix without cross-border support? Would it be able to enforce such penalties on companies which may not be based within the UK at all? I'm not convinced.

I am all for cross-border work, with nation states working together. I dont believe in the little Britain in the corner of the world, shutting itself off. I oppose a federal Europe, I oppose the fact we are not being told the truth - this isnt about competition rules and the rest of the lark, this is about building a superstate against the will of the people.

Multi-national organisations working together across borders - yes.
The end of our sovereingty and the creation of a European superstate against our will - no.

I don't say i agree with everything in what it does, infact it would be stupid to do so.

If you support a federal Europe then you should never support this shower of rabble, there are many areas where we can disagree on but you should never support the corrupt just because they are championing your cause.

Oh please do not even go onto the Eurobarometer - I read some funny 'findings' from them and they are just out of this world, as deluded as the Laeken declaration. I shall try and find them in one of my books and get them to you.

[alexxxxx]

I am all for cross-border work, with nation states working together. I dont believe in the little Britain in the corner of the world, shutting itself off. I oppose a federal Europe, I oppose the fact we are not being told the truth - this isnt about competition rules and the rest of the lark, this is about building a superstate against the will of the people.

Multi-national organisations working together across borders - yes.
The end of our sovereingty and the creation of a European superstate against our will - no.

yes but co-operation requires treaties, laws & regulations for it to work and weak links and half-done treaties won't work and would be an incredible waste of money.

If you support a federal Europe then you should never support this shower of rabble, there are many areas where we can disagree on but you should never support the corrupt just because they are championing your cause.

Oh please do not even go onto the Eurobarometer - I read some funny 'findings' from them and they are just out of this world, as deluded as the Laeken declaration. I shall try and find them in one of my books and get them to you.

I support a fair, free europe where its citizens can not be restricted in what they want to do in terms of where they want to work and live and also to help preserve culture and heritage. Jingoistic nationalism is not what i support which is what is spouted by a lot of the main and minor parties as a populist measure of gaining support. Relentless patriotism is often undertaken by people who have nothing to be proud of by themselves i feel. No doubt there is some corruption in the EU and i don't feel that the current way it works is the best way - but it's better than not having a pan-euro system at all.

Are you saying that you feel this report is unfounded in that it believes that the majority of people in the UK feel that its membership of the EU has not brought about any benefit to the UK?