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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoot View Post
    Protein absorption rates are still awaiting proper research, different people say 20g/30g/40g per serving but in actual fact nobody knows the real answer and it will obviously differ between body types anyway.

    Agree with this.

    Major broscience, no evidence to support this at all unless you damage your growth plates by lifting with terrible form.

    Which is why you eat more...

    Don't know how you are going on 15 already as the last time I heard you were barely 13.. But anyway, 100lbs is incredibly light. Most people recovering from anorexia usually tend to weigh more than that, but I guess you are quite short. Considering your lack of exercise due to your problem and being in a wheelchair a lot of the time it is understandable for your body to be in this state. You have allowed your muscles to deteriorate away because you haven't been using them on a day to day basis. You really need to try and use your muscles more in general and not by walking miles and burning loads of calories which will only make you smaller.

    You want to be doing pull ups and dips around your house. You can use a bed or sofa for the dips and you might be able to find something to use as a pull up bar around your house. Get 3000 calories in per day and at least 100g of protein, also eat a lot of high carb food.
    I'm 15 in February lol...dunno when you found I was 13? :S

    But thanks for the advice and I do try and get as many calories as possible - and I eat lots of carbs/protein so that's good. Thanks for the tips +rep.

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    Protein, don't do as much cardio, do strength workouts such as planks or other things. It works your entire core really well.

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    I think my IQ dropped 50 points reading the ****-wittery in this thread.

    Weightlifting does not stunt growth, only using poor form (ie bending your back, generally being a ******) does. It's even thought that weightlifting could stimulate growth through bone mineralisation. Now, on to that nugget of 40g protein every 2-3 hours and 'protein absorption is still being researched', why won't this crap just die. Any protein you eat that your body doesn't need, whether it needs 50g or 150g, will be used in gluconeogenesis. If you think that eating one big meal each day is inferior to eating 6 small ones and that fasting will **** your muscles up then google martin berkhan and look at many of his readership and tell me you look as good as them.

    At 100lbs and even with a heart condition (I remember reading that you get tired easily) you seriously don't have anything to fear from lifting. Unless it is a serious condition and your heart really struggles to keep up then provided you use proper farm the short intense boughts of exercises necessary to lift weights will strengthen your cardiovascular system - unlike jogging/running which you should really avoid. Human beings were born to sprint and walk.

    Now I disagree that calisthenics (body weight exercises) can't build muscle. Pushups (which you can make harder by doing explosive clap pushups, adding weight/resistance to your back) can be better than bench press in my opinion but only if you're serious with them and push yourself, just like dips (eventually adding weight) and pullups/chinups (eventually adding weight) are easily some of the best muscle building exercises you can perform. But I would suggest doing them and trying to find some resistance of some sort (maybe you can sneak some dumbbells, or some heavy object) to overhead press - another fantastic (arguably the best upper body) exercise. Power cleans/clean and jerks if you can find anything heavy and not too hard to grip are also fantastic. A heavy branch/log is perfectly acceptable for OHP/Power cleans/Clean and jerks, just like it can be used for deadlifting. You can, with some effort and imagination do perfectly well without a weight room.

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    simple answer is theres no way to get ripped without weights.

    protein shakes are only effective alongside working out with weights.

    if your too young/ mum doesn't want you to join a gym only thing i could suggest is doing no protein shakes until you join one but;

    - get a good diet established, with lots of greens, chicken, eggs, rice incorporated
    - plenty of cardio so you'll have a low %body fat so it will be easier to get the 'ripped' look when you do start weights.
    - doing pressups/crunches with a medicine ball... they hardlly have results if you just do situps.. but have a days rest. alternate your pressup typs, wide grip, close grip. and also do pullups

    seriously though don't worry to much about getting ripped until you start doing weights
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soka View Post
    simple answer is theres no way to get ripped without weights.

    protein shakes are only effective alongside working out with weights.

    if your too young/ mum doesn't want you to join a gym only thing i could suggest is doing no protein shakes until you join one but;

    - get a good diet established, with lots of greens, chicken, eggs, rice incorporated
    - plenty of cardio so you'll have a low %body fat so it will be easier to get the 'ripped' look when you do start weights.
    - doing pressups/crunches with a medicine ball... they hardlly have results if you just do situps.. but have a days rest. alternate your pressup typs, wide grip, close grip. and also do pullups

    seriously though don't worry to much about getting ripped until you start doing weights
    Stop spouting ********. If he eats like a rabbit (as you suggest) he wont get as far as if he actually incorporated fat and ate over maintenance. Just like losing body fat mostly comes from eating less - cardio burns very little calories. Intense weight lifting burns more calories and works the cardiovascular system.. cardio is a complete waste of time. If you read my post perhaps you would see that it is perfectly possible to build muscle without weights. Admittedly you will need resistance of some sort to add to the calisthenics as I admitted but in the end so long as you are stressing your muscles with a load that they can only do for a smaller amount of reps (5-8 is best, 8-12 ignores myofibrillar HT) you will grow. Like your body can tell the difference between weighted push ups and bench press provided a similar amount of work is done. Stress is stress is stress children.. and **** the protein shakes, it's easier and better to get protein from whole foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wig44. View Post
    Stop spouting ********. If he eats like a rabbit (as you suggest) he wont get as far as if he actually incorporated fat and ate over maintenance. Just like losing body fat mostly comes from eating less - cardio burns very little calories. Intense weight lifting burns more calories and works the cardiovascular system.. cardio is a complete waste of time. If you read my post perhaps you would see that it is perfectly possible to build muscle without weights. Admittedly you will need resistance of some sort to add to the calisthenics as I admitted but in the end so long as you are stressing your muscles with a load that they can only do for a smaller amount of reps (5-8 is best, 8-12 ignores myofibrillar HT) you will grow. Like your body can tell the difference between weighted push ups and bench press provided a similar amount of work is done. Stress is stress is stress children.. and **** the protein shakes, it's easier and better to get protein from whole foods.
    i've just read your previous post and what a load of ****. dude your clueless if you say cardio is a waste of time, in my current weekly workout plan i have one day solely for cardio, legs and then abs at the end. cardio is just as important as other.

    The OP is not asking HOW TO BUILD MUSCLE, hes asking how to get RIPPED without weights. Theres a big difference. I agree its perfectly possible to build muscle without weights as you say, but if you want to get ripped, just doing a few pressups, crunches and pull ups and improving diet isn't going to do anything. Its not easier and better to get protein from whole foods? Can you back this up instead of just making stupid statements. I've being strict with a good diet, and gym routine WITH cardio (not prepared by me as i didn't know enough at the time) for the past 8 months now and i've reached a peak where I need to start some protein shake for the first time in the new year because i want to get just a little bigger then i'll stop the protein. Again, its a known fact that 8-12 reps is the ideal number for building muscles. 5-8 is not enough to build up endurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soka View Post
    i've just read your previous post and what a load of ****. dude your clueless if you say cardio is a waste of time, in my current weekly workout plan i have one day solely for cardio, legs and then abs at the end. cardio is just as important as other.

    The OP is not asking HOW TO BUILD MUSCLE, hes asking how to get RIPPED without weights. Theres a big difference. I agree its perfectly possible to build muscle without weights as you say, but if you want to get ripped, just doing a few pressups, crunches and pull ups and improving diet isn't going to do anything. Its not easier and better to get protein from whole foods? Can you back this up instead of just making stupid statements. I've being strict with a good diet, and gym routine WITH cardio (not prepared by me as i didn't know enough at the time) for the past 8 months now and i've reached a peak where I need to start some protein shake for the first time in the new year because i want to get just a little bigger then i'll stop the protein. Again, its a known fact that 8-12 reps is the ideal number for building muscles. 5-8 is not enough to build up endurance.
    DUDE IMMA NOT READ UR POST AND CALL IT A LOAD OF CRAP

    I didn't say to do 'a few pressups, crunches and pull ups'. If you'd read my post you'd see that?

    I like hoq im clueless just because it is in your weekly work out plan. Cardio is a waste of time. Its only use is to burn calories when you could just reduce the calories you take in. I would go as far as to say that long bouts of cardio damage the cardiovascular system. Getting ripped requires you to build muscle, strip down to 8% ish body fat (i agree with soy here) or you'll end up looking like a holocaust survivor. Endurance isn't necessary for strength/size nor wanted - what are you talking about?

    I like how you say you've reached a peak and you are 'on protein' to break through it, like protein is a drug. Protein from whole food sources is better in my opinion because of the nutrients that come with it, (I generally only mean animal sources of protein here). But go ahead and 'take' your protein shakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wig44. View Post
    DUDE IMMA NOT READ UR POST AND CALL IT A LOAD OF CRAP

    I didn't say to do 'a few pressups, crunches and pull ups'. If you'd read my post you'd see that?

    I like hoq im clueless just because it is in your weekly work out plan. Cardio is a waste of time. Its only use is to burn calories when you could just reduce the calories you take in. I would go as far as to say that long bouts of cardio damage the cardiovascular system. Getting ripped requires you to build muscle, strip down to 8% ish body fat (i agree with soy here) or you'll end up looking like a holocaust survivor. Endurance isn't necessary for strength/size nor wanted - what are you talking about?

    I like how you say you've reached a peak and you are 'on protein' to break through it, like protein is a drug. Protein from whole food sources is better in my opinion because of the nutrients that come with it, (I generally only mean animal sources of protein here). But go ahead and 'take' your protein shakes.

    Typical broski who probably sits on bb.com teen misc all day.
    Firstly whats a broski/ never heard that before is it a new insult floating about lol, also i didn't even know what bb.com is before now and i've had to actually just had to google it. I'd never go on the internet asking people i don't know (some may know what they're talking about) but the majority are talking crap. If I wanted advice i'd ask professionals in person.

    i'm going to start protein in the new year i've said after taking advice from people who know what they're talking about.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on the cardio being a waste of time because it isn't ! And do you believe you can get ripped, (note theres a difference between ripped and just building muscle/) from doing no weights is literally impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wig44. View Post
    I think my IQ dropped 50 points reading the ****-wittery in this thread.

    Weightlifting does not stunt growth, only using poor form (ie bending your back, generally being a ******) does. It's even thought that weightlifting could stimulate growth through bone mineralisation. Now, on to that nugget of 40g protein every 2-3 hours and 'protein absorption is still being researched', why won't this crap just die. Any protein you eat that your body doesn't need, whether it needs 50g or 150g, will be used in gluconeogenesis. If you think that eating one big meal each day is inferior to eating 6 small ones and that fasting will **** your muscles up then google martin berkhan and look at many of his readership and tell me you look as good as them.
    This article seems to make a lot of sense to me about protein absorption:
    http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...a-single-meal/

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soka View Post
    Firstly whats a broski/ never heard that before is it a new insult floating about lol, also i didn't even know what bb.com is before now and i've had to actually just had to google it. I'd never go on the internet asking people i don't know (some may know what they're talking about) but the majority are talking crap. If I wanted advice i'd ask professionals in person.

    i'm going to start protein in the new year i've said after taking advice from people who know what they're talking about.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on the cardio being a waste of time because it isn't ! And do you believe you can get ripped, (note theres a difference between ripped and just building muscle/) from doing no weights is literally impossible.
    You dont need to worry about cardio until you are in your late 20's. Why would you waste some of the easiest gains in your life (teen years) on cardio. Bulk up, doesnt matter if you get fat. Fat can be lost so much more easily at any time than muscle can be built.

    @Hoot - Why does it matter. Stop making it so complicated. Just eat food, lots of it, focus on compound movements when lifting with good form, rest well and you'll see results. It isn't that hard. I made a mess of over-complicating it too much and it took me a good 2-3 months to realise what I was doing is wrong.
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