Ruby Thomas who kicked man to death jailed for.. 7 years

[Eoin247]

Private school = fee paying
Public school = ultra posh £20,000+ per annum fee paying
State school = free

and this is a joke, i find the sentences in this country to be a complete farce.

Ah ok, Here in Ireland we call just state schools public schools and all fee paying schools private.

[Catzsy]

Guidelines are often issued on sentence lengths and the jury is part of the British justice system which is a shambles. To add to that, we do not have enough prison capacity to send people away for a longer period of time and judges and the police are often under pressure to minimise sentences as the prisons are on low capacity.. she will also most likely be let out early, with a tag. Under the last government mainly and this government now under Ken Clarke, the justice system has become a joke but its been an ongoing process for many decades. The kind of rhetoric that the two governments have spouted is shown and defeated here;

Ian Huntley is another example, a monster with an Xbox in a supposed prison.

I am not saying I agree with the sentence but the jury prevails. I don't think they always get it right and this seems about right for a manslaughter charge. Maybe the prosecution will appeal about the sentence.

Also:

The judge blamed her for sparking the violence that led to Mr Baynham's death, although it was not her kicks that killed him.

It seems it was her co-defendant, Alexander who caused the brain injury and was given 6 years. Obviously not as newsworthy as this girl.

[GommeInc]

The jury convicted her of manslaughter so blame them not the British Justice system. I don't know why they did, though tbh on the face of it.

Manslaughter seems correct, assuming they only wanted to beat him rather than kill murder him. Not that it makes it any better. She looks a bit of a cow just by looking at the pictures of her

7 years doesn't seem much at all.

[ifuseekamy]

I suppose the shoe will be on the other foot though when she meets the prison dykes.

[FlyingJesus]

Manslaughter seems correct, assuming they only wanted to beat him rather than kill murder him

I had always assumed that attacking someone either with enough force or in a style that's obviously got a pretty high risk of death attached (which repeated kicks to the head would definitely cover) was generally approached as an attempted murder, and then it follows that if the victim dies it would be murder not manslaughter. Manslaughter assumes an accident or negligence of some sort - I can't see how hitting an old man to the ground and curbstomping him while screaming abuse is an accident

[GommeInc]

I had always assumed that attacking someone either with enough force or in a style that's obviously got a pretty high risk of death attached (which repeated kicks to the head would definitely cover) was generally approached as an attempted murder, and then it follows that if the victim dies it would be murder not manslaughter. Manslaughter assumes an accident or negligence of some sort - I can't see how hitting an old man to the ground and curbstomping him while screaming abuse is an accident

I believe they label it manslaughter when the offender was under the influence of alcohol, as mentioned by the "drink-fuelled assault" claim in the paper. So I guess by your definition, it comes under negligence as she shouldn't of been drinking in a public place and obviously shouldn't of attacked the man. That's how I've interpreted it at least She may of been above a certain level of alcohol suggesting she couldn't of been in total control of her actions.

EDIT: According to a few legal sites - "vehicular manslaughter" is when you kill someone while driving under the influence of alcohol, and "intoxication manslaughter" is when you kill under the influence of alcohol. There have been a few cases where someone has been killed by someone under the influence where they call it manslaughter

[ben]

thats bad

[FlyingJesus]

Well hot damn, next time I go out to murder I'm gonna take a bottle of wine with me

And yeah she's only actually gonna be inside for about 30 months or something because of how long the trial took... as if that actually means she's served her time somehow

[Nemo]

Oh god she's from upper norwood. Hey there nice area, how u doin

[GommeInc]

Well hot damn, next time I go out to murder I'm gonna take a bottle of wine with me

And yeah she's only actually gonna be inside for about 30 months or something because of how long the trial took... as if that actually means she's served her time somehow

Make sure to drink the contents

I'm not entirely sure why the trial period counts as part of the time served. Trials are being rushed through courts now :/