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    Quote Originally Posted by HotelUser View Post
    How is it?
    You customise and alter Windows and Linux builds a lot easier than you can OS X. Plus you don't have to be part of the "Developer Community" to get access to the APIs and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiffla View Post
    You customise and alter Windows and Linux builds a lot easier than you can OS X. Plus you don't have to be part of the "Developer Community" to get access to the APIs and stuff.
    I can clone my entire OS X harddrive onto a external USB hard drive and boot off it in one click using Carbon Copy Cloner - that's not customizable?

    What do you mean about "APIs and stuff" because xcode is free as are countless other ides and frameworks for C++ and Java...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotelUser View Post
    I can clone my entire OS X harddrive onto a external USB hard drive and boot off it in one click using Carbon Copy Cloner - that's not customizable?

    What do you mean about "APIs and stuff" because xcode is free as are countless other ides and frameworks for C++ and Java...
    Lol, this is what I didn't miss about being on here. You try and make an off hand comment and all of a sudden people are jumping to pick what I say apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiffla View Post
    Lol, this is what I didn't miss about being on here. You try and make an off hand comment and all of a sudden people are jumping to pick what I say apart.
    If you didn't want a debate, why would you say something that's controversial and that obviously other users would disagree with?

    You started this fire
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotelUser View Post
    If you didn't want a debate, why would you say something that's controversial and that obviously other users would disagree with?

    You started this fire
    I use Windows XP, 7, Mac OS X (Snow Leopard, have been using since Panther), Ubuntu, Mint and Arch Linux. Out of all those, the one I find to be least customisable for a normal user (without going into coding for each platform) is Mac OS X. That was my point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiffla View Post
    I use Windows XP, 7, Mac OS X (Snow Leopard, have been using since Panther), Ubuntu, Mint and Arch Linux. Out of all those, the one I find to be least customisable for a normal user (without going into coding for each platform) is Mac OS X. That was my point
    I run OS X on the i5 iMac, OS X 10.4 on the G4 iMac (I run 10.2 on the G3 though I rarely use that), XP on the Netbook, Windows 7 on the laptop, Ubuntu on the desktop, Ubuntu Server on my home server.

    I run Android on the Nexus, iOS on the iPad and I owned and ran Windows Mobile and before that Windows CE on my preceding portable devices for years.

    I could continue to discuss how preceding XP, or even several years after its release, that I ran Windows 2000 both enduser and server, 98SE, ME and the list goes on.

    I'm certain that practically everyone who posts in the technology forums will have a list similar to the above.

    Out of all those primarily desktop operating systems, I find them all satisfactory in terms of user customization - and I certainly see no ways in which restrictions are imposed against OS X to limit the customizability to uncomfortable lengths, or really, any lengths - I've never encountered any problems here, though your opinions are noted. I replied to you initially because I wanted to see if you had any genuine examples
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotelUser View Post
    I run OS X on the i5 iMac ... list similar to the above.
    I wasn't saying that to assert any advantage over anyone, I was saying it to show that I don't just follow windows blindly or anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotelUser View Post
    Out of all those primarily desktop operating systems, I find them all satisfactory in terms of user customization - and I certainly see no ways in which restrictions are imposed against OS X to limit the customizability to uncomfortable lengths, or really, any lengths.
    There has to be one that is worse than the rest. They can't all be completely equal. Which would you say is least customisable?

    Quote Originally Posted by HotelUser View Post
    I've never encountered any problems here, though your opinions are noted. I replied to you initially because I wanted to see if you had any genuine examples
    To give you a quick example then, in Linux you can use LXDE, Gnome, KDE or any number of desktop environments. In Windows you can change the themes with a load of built in ones and an endless amount downloadable from the web. With Mac OS X, however, you are stuck to the same theme and the only real thing you can change is the highlight colour and whether you want the close/minimise/etc buttons to be grey scale or not.

    Aaaaaaaaanyway. Any conversation I get into that needs me to break up a post into quotable chunks is really going to far, so I shall leave it and hopefully see some more ace desktops being posted (Y)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiffla View Post
    I wasn't saying that to assert any advantage over anyone, I was saying it to show that I don't just follow windows blindly or anything.



    There has to be one that is worse than the rest. They can't all be completely equal. Which would you say is least customisable?



    To give you a quick example then, in Linux you can use LXDE, Gnome, KDE or any number of desktop environments. In Windows you can change the themes with a load of built in ones and an endless amount downloadable from the web. With Mac OS X, however, you are stuck to the same theme and the only real thing you can change is the highlight colour and whether you want the close/minimise/etc buttons to be grey scale or not.

    Aaaaaaaaanyway. Any conversation I get into that needs me to break up a post into quotable chunks is really going to far, so I shall leave it and hopefully see some more ace desktops being posted (Y)
    Oh they're not all exactly equal, I just said they all have reasonable levels of customizability in my opinion. My favourite would probably be how much I customized GNOME on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu in general because of all the desktop effects such as wobbly windows.

    You can skin the dock, the top bar, the buttons and widgets on OS X, check out this site where they change the UI around just as much if more than people typically do on Windows - this is why what you said about limitations raised an eyebrow

    Also, although I'm not sure why anyone would want to, but since OS X sports an X11 compatibility layer, you can run KDE and GNOME.

    And as for looking at more lovely desktops being posted I agree, although I'm hard pressed to find any nice but non distracting wallpapers for the iMac!
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    Offtopic much? BTW, where do you all get your wallpapers from?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaaaack! View Post
    See, however much I want this, my girlfriend uses my PC too much, and I would be killed.





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    Decided to reinstall OS X... much faster now

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