i don't get it

[Chris]

Meh, if you want to further reduce the activity throughout Habbox further then so be it. If you don't keep up with the times you get left behind, which has been happening with Habbox for years now. Also, if you can't take the heat get out of the fire, it's not offensive to use FU and it certainly was not in the context it was used. You've not answered this and have taken the "we're not changing it so there" route.

I don't create the rules, I just work to them. You've got your answer from Scott and Matt who have to do what is best for habbox, which more often than not, is the complete opposite of what the community actually wants. "Fu" is the same as "**** you" and should be dealt with exactly how it was tonight.

[The Don]

Have you not read the whole thread? I didn't use fu as **** you, I used it in the same context as fuarkkkkkk but didn't write the c or k to ironically, avoid any moderator action.... If I were you, I'd tell my moderators to focus on people making threads targeting other users ie, the one this all happened in, that thread targeted another who has sent naked photos which have now been spread. Rather than taking action on this, your moderators focused on a bit of banter between friends. You all need to sort your priorities out otherwise habboxforum will die. Wasn't it last year we were averaging 100 odd listeners on habbox live? the largest amount of users online over a 24 hour period is a joke, just like forum moderation. You need to take action to sort this out as loads of older members are leaving and I don't see the new ones joining and you can't use your usually excuse of the time of year as this low activity has been fairly consistent. And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so...

Because we won't allow people to swear on the forum? We aren't going to allow it. FU = **** you and if users are going to use it against people then that's breaking the rules and I'm sure you don't want to be told to **** off now - It doesn't matter if you don't find it offensive.

In terms of the image The Don used, it's allowed in normal circumstances and doesn't break the rules when using it normally. Although I'm sure he has already but he can use the report the infraction and see what Scott/Brandon/One of the Super Moderator feels about it.

[GommeInc]

Because we won't allow people to swear on the forum? We aren't going to allow it. FU = **** you and if users are going to use it against people then that's breaking the rules and I'm sure you don't want to be told to **** off now - It doesn't matter if you don't find it offensive.

In terms of the image The Don used, it's allowed in normal circumstances and doesn't break the rules when using it normally. Although I'm sure he has already but he can use the report the infraction and see what Scott/Brandon/One of the Super Moderator feels about it.

No, I don't want to be told to F off, but to be told FU, two harmless letters which fly around a lot on the internet these days, is so harmless. If someone said that you question them, and look down upon them because it doesn't really say anything. So no, your example simply doesn't work and is a clutching at straws method. When I see someone say F.U., I don't think of it written out as full words, because the human mind simply doesn't work like that. You just see it as an abbreviation which could mean someone is disgruntled, mocking around or too lazy to come up with a real insult. You're serving teenagers, not 10 year olds.

Also, again, is it offensive? Was anyone actually offended by it or were they just using a rule for the rules sake? Because the latter has been used far too much on this forum, and you seem to be suggesting this - no-one was offended but we must act because we have a load of text on a page telling us to.

And as The Don said above, he used it in that comic context - FUUUUUUUUUUUUU - which I think comes from someone trying to say the F word, but is either falling off a building hitting the floor before finishing with CK. It is quite a common meme these days, slowly replacing lolcats.

[xxMATTGxx]

Have you not read the whole thread? I didn't use fu as **** you, I used it in the same context as fuarkkkkkk but didn't write the c or k to ironically, avoid any moderator action.... If I were you, I'd tell my moderators to focus on people making threads targeting other users ie, the one this all happened in, that thread targeted another who has sent naked photos which have now been spread. Rather than taking action on this, your moderators focused on a bit of banter between friends. You all need to sort your priorities out otherwise habboxforum will die. Wasn't it last year we were averaging 100 odd listeners on habbox live? the largest amount of users online over a 24 hour period is a joke, just like forum moderation. You need to take action to sort this out as loads of older members are leaving and I don't see the new ones joining and you can't use your usually excuse of the time of year as this low activity has been fairly consistent. And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so...

I don't think I stated you did. If you didn't use FU in any swearing context then I don't see the problem.

In terms of the naked photos of an under-aged person going around, people complain when we take issues outside of Habbox into our own hands. These pictures have not been posted on the forum and there is no PM's with these pictures in. Now if someone did post these pictures on the forum or send them in a Private Message or a Visitor message then those details will be handed over to the Police. I've said that since day one of me hearing the rumor of the pictures going around, I've contacted the Police about Habbox members in the past and I will do it again if needed.

In regards of the listeners: They weren't at 100 every single week last year and they will not be 100 or over on any Habbo radio station. Radios such as Habbox and other fansites may hit a high amount but it won't stay like that X amount of days.

This rule hasn't changed over the past couple of years and hasn't really big a main concern apart from people wishing they could say all of the words that are currently in the filter. Why would this rule even affect members rates? It's not like it's an important rule that would cause that many problems at all. Now we can try filtering the "FU" word and therefore will prevent people from using it and will also mean no one would get told off from using it apart from legit use.


In regards of:

"And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so..."

David said no to the changes of the filter and such rules in the past.

No, I don't want to be told to F off, but to be told FU, two harmless letters which fly around a lot on the internet these days, is so harmless. If someone said that you question them, and look down upon them because it doesn't really say anything. So no, your example simply doesn't work and is a clutching at straws method. When I see someone say F.U., I don't think of it written out as full words, because the human mind simply doesn't work like that. You just see it as an abbreviation which could mean someone is disgruntled, mocking around or too lazy to come up with a real insult. You're serving teenagers, not 10 year olds.

Also, again, is it offensive? Was anyone actually offended by it or were they just using a rule for the rules sake? Because the latter has been used far too much on this forum, and you seem to be suggesting this - no-one was offended but we must act because we have a load of text on a page telling us to.

Just because so many people don't find it offensive, doesn't mean we should allow it. You can find all swear words on the internet on many websites. Does that mean we should start allowing them? No it doesn't. The actual rules stated don't need changing. The word "FU" may be discussed and debated and like I said above, could be filtered if people wish it to be like that.

[GommeInc]

Just because so many people don't find it offensive, doesn't mean we should allow it. You can find all swear words on the internet on many websites. Does that mean we should start allowing them? No it doesn't. The actual rules stated don't need changing. The word "FU" may be discussed and debated and like I said above, could be filtered if people wish it to be like that.

It's not a swear word, it's an abbreviation. Understand the argument first before replying If people were actually saying "Duck You", then it would be offensive, but using abbreviation loses all credibility as a substitute, it's why all abbreviations bar one were unfiltered a few years ago - and look where we are, a forum that allows for a wider pallette of speech.

Also, if so many people don't find it offensive, who are you protecting? A minority? Loads of people do not like to talk about cancer, should you ban talking about it? I'm sure more people care about talking about cancer, than an abbreviation which makes whoever is using it uncredible.

[Chris]

Have you not read the whole thread? I didn't use fu as **** you, I used it in the same context as fuarkkkkkk but didn't write the c or k to ironically, avoid any moderator action.... If I were you, I'd tell my moderators to focus on people making threads targeting other users ie, the one this all happened in, that thread targeted another who has sent naked photos which have now been spread. Rather than taking action on this, your moderators focused on a bit of banter between friends. You all need to sort your priorities out otherwise habboxforum will die. Wasn't it last year we were averaging 100 odd listeners on habbox live? the largest amount of users online over a 24 hour period is a joke, just like forum moderation. You need to take action to sort this out as loads of older members are leaving and I don't see the new ones joining and you can't use your usually excuse of the time of year as this low activity has been fairly consistent. And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so...

In regards to the thread that was removed. The thread may have been related to the incident but there were no names mentioned, no images posted and no details given out. There will always be someone who posts to target the members involved but it is always dealt with as an individual issue. If the majority of members who posted in that thread had have given out any details then the thread would have been removed immediately.

[GirlNextDoor15]

The rules have always been confusing to me. I got edited TWICE for saying **** waffles. It wasn't meant to be offensive and let alone rude. They are just blueberries on waffles. So, what's so wrong about that? Like [@]@gommeinc[/@] said, if nobody finds it offensive/rude, then it would be very unfair for moderators to edit the post for the sake of editing and working to the rules. And when we say it's unfair, we got told that this forum has lots of young kids etc. Just face the fact! Most of the active users are 14 or 15+. They know what is what. There's no need in protecting them etc.
p/s I agree with making the rules clearer. it only takes a few minutes to do it. so i don't see why not?

[Richie]

A lot of things really don't make sense in regards to swearing on the forum. I don't understand why you can play one filtered word in a video but if it's the same word being repeated another seven times in a different video it gets removed for excessive swearing, either way you still hear the swearing. Spoilers are pointless DON'T CLICK HERE IT SWEARS really means if you don't want to hear swearing really DON'T CLICK IT, common sense?


How does adding a video outside a spoiler with text above it which states the video contains swearing make any difference? why does it need to be edited into a spoiler, it makes no sense. The only answer we get for that is the video is larger than the text so it's the first thing someone clicks, i don't believe that for a second, perhaps others love to read books with pretty colours and drawings because it attracts their attention but for me i like to read the cover before opening the book.


I don't understand how linking others to genuine songs that contains some amount of swearing is wrong. If someone posts contains swearing and another user clicks that song and it swears that's their problem, they were warned. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is rap / hip hop music, lets be honest the majority of the best rappers are black males, they say stuff that people assume is racist when it really isn't meant in that context. Can't the media and people that live in the past move on, it started off as racist **** then somebody made it cool andthat'sthat, they don't mean it in a racist way and i feel monitoring videos like that should all be based off the context.


Sorry for hijacking your thread Jen I just thought it'd be pointless to express my opinion in another thread when one has already been sparked about swearing. I agree though Jen oneabbreviationis fine and another which is fairly equal isn't. Thenany timeyou question it you get a reply like "FINE WE WILL REMOVE ALL ABBREVIATIONS THAT CONTAINS SWEARING" just to shut people up, it's just silly.

Everything I have posted is just my opinion, obviously a lot of people willdisagreewith the whole N word in music videos and hey I'm not black so i don't know if people who are black get offended. I'm a fat **** and if someone posts "FAT MAN FALLS OFF CHAIR" or "MAN RANTS ABOUT FAT PEOPLE" i don't start crying (even though it's in a rude context) and yes I really did just compare fat people to black people, I'm so naughty. Everything in regards to swearing inabbreviationor videos needs to be based on the context, if Jen posts in a thread "haha f.u richie" that shouldn't be classed as being rude as she's just joking around. The rules need some tweaking imo but the main problem is every post gets treated the same. "F.U JEN YOU IDIOT I ACTUALLY HATE YOU" and "haha f.u Jen" it doesn't really take a genius to find out which one should be fine and which should be removed.



Stop protecting the users that don't exist and focus on the ones that do. That's my rant complete, what do i know though I'm just a user not an admin.


Have fun arguing,
night,
rich.

[GirlNextDoor15]

if a kid accidentally read rich's post, will he cry lol

[HotelUser]

Before I get into this, I want to mention that I think Tom's summarized the FU situation quite nicely here:

FU is directly and solely used personally - unless you're addressing an inanimate object (such as Tara in bed) then it's always an insult, whereas jfc, idgaf and all that can be used objectively about situations

I was not around when abbreviated variations of swearing became allowed. If I had initially been in the loop about that I would have strongly disagreed with allowing abbreviated swearing such as idgaf, lmfao and so on. However, Habbox at the time did allow users to use such abbreviations. Because abbreviated swearing remains allowed I think the only two really reasonable options here would be to A) completely ban abbreviated swearing across the board (this one probably wont be popular so isn't a great option), or B) Update the allowed abbreviated swearing conventions to include ones such as "FU", so long as it's not used in a context directed at another individual. Based on the logic behind allowing abbreviated swearing in the first place I don't see a problem if individuals said things like, "Maths exam went terrible, FUUUUUUU maths," but it would be a problem if users said things like, "FU John Doe". So long as the foremost was within the rules and the latter prohibited, I don't see the problem.

When I say update the list of allowed abbreviations of swear words, I don't mean allowing users to say things like "f k", "sh t", "b c h" and so on. These are and should remain avoidances of the language filter. I would class "FU" as different because a lot of times when you see "FU" or when people say "FU", they say or think the letter "F" as opposed to the actually derogatory word. I don't know of this is the general consensus surrounding "FU", or just how my mind works.

The rules have always been confusing to me. I got edited TWICE for saying **** waffles.

I unfortunately have to point out that on a Western world internet forum populated with teens, when you say a term including a certain colour of waffle (heck, even when you just say "waffle"), most folks here know exactly what you're talking about within seconds. I would say those edits are fair, because the topic at hand when you mention such things is absolutely repulsive, and I think you and I both know you were not talking about the food.

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A lot of things really don't make sense in regards to swearing on the forum. I don't understand why you can play one filtered word in a video but if it's the same word being repeated another seven times in a different video it gets removed for excessive swearing, either way you still hear the swearing. Spoilers are pointless DON'T CLICK HERE IT SWEARS really means if you don't want to hear swearing really DON'T CLICK IT, common sense?

How does adding a video outside a spoiler with text above it which states the video contains swearing make any difference? why does it need to be edited into a spoiler, it makes no sense. The only answer we get for that is the video is larger than the text so it's the first thing someone clicks, i don't believe that for a second, perhaps others love to read books with pretty colours and drawings because it attracts their attention but for me i like to read the cover before opening the book.

I don't understand how linking others to genuine songs that contains some amount of swearing is wrong. If someone posts contains swearing and another user clicks that song and it swears that's their problem, they were warned. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is rap / hip hop music, lets be honest the majority of the best rappers are black males, they say stuff that people assume is racist when it really isn't meant in that context. Can't the media and people that live in the past move on, it started off as racist **** then somebody made it cool andthat'sthat, they don't mean it in a racist way and i feel monitoring videos like that should all be based off the context.

Sorry for hijacking your thread Jen I just thought it'd be pointless to express my opinion in another thread when one has already been sparked about swearing. I agree though Jen oneabbreviationis fine and another which is fairly equal isn't. Thenany timeyou question it you get a reply like "FINE WE WILL REMOVE ALL ABBREVIATIONS THAT CONTAINS SWEARING" just to shut people up, it's just silly.

Everything I have posted is just my opinion, obviously a lot of people willdisagreewith the whole N word in music videos and hey I'm not black so i don't know if people who are black get offended. I'm a fat **** and if someone posts "FAT MAN FALLS OFF CHAIR" or "MAN RANTS ABOUT FAT PEOPLE" i don't start crying (even though it's in a rude context) and yes I really did just compare fat people to black people, I'm so naughty. Everything in regards to swearing inabbreviationor videos needs to be based on the context, if Jen posts in a thread "haha f.u richie" that shouldn't be classed as being rude as she's just joking around. The rules need some tweaking imo but the main problem is every post gets treated the same. "F.U JEN YOU IDIOT I ACTUALLY HATE YOU" and "haha f.u Jen" it doesn't really take a genius to find out which one should be fine and which should be removed.

Stop protecting the users that don't exist and focus on the ones that do. That's my rant complete, what do i know though I'm just a user not an admin.

Have fun arguing,
night,
rich.

Though I disagree with you about spoilers (I don't think it's really a big deal to put certain videos in spoilers), admittedly I've even avoided posting YouTube videos in the past because I've been paranoid about what they may contain that I've missed and because I'm not completely clear on the rules myself. I think there should be three classes of violating this rule. 1) If the Youtube video a member posts without a spoiler contains 1-2 swear words I think only an edit and edit notification from a moderator should be necessary because the member probably didn't know about the swear word in the video, or the rule itself. 2) If the song contains excessive (3+) swearing, or if a specific user consistently leaves out spoilers in many videos in a short period of time I think it should be an edit and a user note which could lead to a warning or infraction like any other rule violation. 3) If the song swears every other word, or has extreme inappropriate messages (such as anything by Cannibal Corpse), then I think actual removal of the video is appropriate; this should also prohibit users of posting music videos which contain pornography. I think it's important to keep the forum clean of videos which could get Habbox in trouble, or offend other members, but I think upholding this rule is all about finding a fair medium which wont discourage members from posting videos on the forum.