Boy, 7, branded a racist

[-:Undertaker:-]

I really cannot believe you have said the part in bold. Unbelievable!

I don't see whats so shocking, I haven't said one is better than the other so whats so shocking about the statement that black skin and features come from the African continent? not shocking at all, its a fact.

Skin colour has had nothing to do with where they were born for many decades in some cases and centuries for others. Would anybody say to someone platinum blond are you from Scandanavia? It is the worst negative stereotype I can think of. I still don't blame the boy but he must have got this sort of attitude from somewhere even if he said it innocently.

Not as much so, because blond hair is more common in this country due to heavier migration over the centuries from northern Europe therefore we are more naturally less inclined to ask questions about it. What you have to understand is (and if you believe in political correctness then you won't and can't) that when something that is unusual or in a small minority it will always be the subject of more interest.

That is just human nature, its not an 'attitude' nor is it racism.

If you are going to post a quote I suggest you don't edit it as it certainly changes the impression it gives.
Members are talking about the posts not the quotes!

I'm not here to spoon feed members and then be slated, I do however at least provide them always with a link to one or two articles on the subject so there's no excuse.

[Catzsy]

I don't see whats so shocking, I haven't said one is better than the other so whats so shocking about the statement that black skin and features come from the African continent? not shocking at all, its a fact.



Not as much so, because blond hair is more common in this country due to heavier migration over the centuries from northern Europe therefore we are more naturally less inclined to ask questions about it. What you have to understand is (and if you believe in political correctness then you won't and can't) that when something that is unusual or in a small minority it will always be the subject of more interest.

That is just human nature, its not an 'attitude'.



I'm not here to spoon feed members and then be slated, I do however at least provide them always with a link to one or two articles on the subject so there's no excuse.

No it is manipulation of the text. I am surprised that you would do this. Again I cannot believe that is what you think and your explanation about not asking blond people where they are from is pure and utter ********.
Anybody asking people 'if they are from africa' just because of the colour of their skin shows complete and utter ignorance of the modern world. If this is combined with an unusual accent then that it is different. It is neither unusual and is not human nature - it is a negative stereotype which has no place in this day and age.

[dirrty]

Well there's evidence of black people coming here from Roman times from what i've read in the past, however that was on such a small scale that any features from that would now have been so diluted since that we wouldn't even notice without a DNA test. No, the influx of people of black people has occured over the past 100 or 200 years, therefore its not only a legit question to ask somebody buts its also based in fact and genuine interest, not racism. I hate this political correctness nonsense we have to put up with, black people are in the minority concerning skin colour - therefore people will naturally ask questions concerning their heritage, just as I did.

So no, there's nothing wrong with asking people questions without malice intended - I still don't know myself where my black hair and darker skin has come from, it could of been within the past 200 years or a 1,000 years ago or even 2,000 years ago or maybe even its simply a mutation - either way its still interesting and I take no offence what so ever from it. Skin colour doesn't matter, but it naturally gives an indication of our heritage.

..and thats why people ask questions.

it's nothing to do with being politically correct, but rather not being ignorant. i can't see how people can't just ask "where are you from?", or "where are your family from?", "where do you originate from?", rather than "are you from africa?". that assumption that all black people are from africa (don't start as the 1000 years ago argument is preposterous ) is just narrow-minded and that's what that question denotes. i didn't say/don't believe one is being racist when asking the question, but there are so many other places where black people are from, that to assume that they're from africa because they're black is just, as i said before (and i'm kinda repeating myself now) plain ignorant.

[Jazz]

I just think that's utterly stupid, 7 year olds usually don't understand racism at that age..

[-:Undertaker:-]

No it is manipulation of the text. I am surprised that you would do this.

Because when I don't shortern the articles down I get harangued as I was earlier on. Did you jump to my defence? no. I can't win either way.

Again I cannot believe that is what you think and your explanation about not asking blond people where they are from is pure and utter ********.

If you can't understand that simple logic along with the history of migration into the British Isles then you're frankly a hopeless cause.

Why do you think racism exists? because when something is different it attracts more interest and thought, both negative and positive interest - its part of being human.

Anybody asking people 'if they are from africa' just because of the colour of their skin shows complete and utter ignorance of the modern world. If this is combined with an unusual accent then that it is different. It is neither unusual and is not human nature - it is a negative stereotype which has no place in this day and age.

:rolleyes: ...it is a sterotype because it is true, those with more differing features to the majority will be asked more questions on where they originate from - whats negative about it? nobody at all is making that suggestion that black skin is a negative feature or something to be negative towards, well, nobody apart from you.

it's nothing to do with being politically correct, but rather not being ignorant. i can't see how people can't just ask "where are you from?", or "where are your family from?", "where do you originate from?", rather than "are you from africa?". that assumption that all black people are from africa (don't start as the 1000 years ago argument is preposterous ) is just narrow-minded and that's what that question denotes. i didn't say/don't believe one is being racist when asking the question, but there are so many other places where black people are from, that to assume that they're from africa because they're black is just, as i said before (and i'm kinda repeating myself now) plain ignorant.

Sigh, yes thats how I as an adult would word the question. But in the case with this story, it is about a 7 year old is it not? and as you ought to know (which you evidently do not) that children do not understand language to the extent that we as adults do therefore will be more blunt when they ask questions.

I really can't believe i'm having to explain this.

[dirrty]

Sigh, yes thats how I as an adult would word the question. But in the case with this story, it is about a 7 year old is it not? and as you ought to know (which you evidently do not) that children do not understand language to the extent that we as adults do therefore will be more blunt when they ask questions.

I really can't believe i'm having to explain this.

i thought we haven't been talking about the 7 year old for the longest time lmao, especially since you were using one of your examples of your friend. i've mentioned it in one of my first posts that the kid didn't mean any harm so i agree.

[Catzsy]

Because when I don't shortern the articles down I get harangued as I was earlier on. Did you jump to my defence? no. I can't win either way.



If you can't understand that simple logic along with the history of migration into the British Isles then you're frankly a hopeless cause.

Why do you think racism exists? because when something is different it attracts more interest and thought, both negative and positive interest - its part of being human.

Shortening an article is a lot different than manipulation of text to show your view. If it was something that had happened in the last twenty years I could understand your logic but migration to this country from all areas of the world is something that is not new, is not different and there is absolutely no reason to believe that it is a part of human nature to ask somebody of 'brown colour' if they are from Africa. It is sheer ignorance. As I said above if this was combined with an unusual accent then it is a part of human nature to ask where they are from. I spent quite a lot of time in the states when i was younger and I was asked that all the time. There is a huge difference in just making an assumption because of skin colour.

:rolleyes: ...it is a sterotype because it is true, those with more differing features to the majority will be asked more questions on where they originate from - whats negative about it? nobody at all is making that suggestion that black skin is a negative feature or something to be negative towards, well, nobody apart from you.

It is Dan and you know it and is used frequently to target ethnic minorites. I suggest you google this headline and see what Stormforce say about the article. Also I don't think Dirrty is too happy about your comments either.

Sigh, yes thats how I as an adult would word the question. But in the case with this story, it is about a 7 year old is it not? and as you ought to know (which you evidently do not) that children do not understand language to the extent that we as adults do therefore will be more blunt when they ask questions.


I really can't believe i'm having to explain this.

Nowhere am I blaming the child here but even to ask the question they must have heard this before - they don't think of questions out of thin air. You can't believe you having to explain this? LOL. I can't believe you are defending attitudes that disappeared from this Country decades ago for the majority of the people.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Shortening an article is a lot different than manipulation of text to show your view.

I haven't manipulated it, I simply shortened it and excluded what the MP said on the matter - its not about party politics this article, so thats the least important part of it. Anywho, I provided the link.

But again, you go on about ignorance below - and you didn't even bother to click the link.

If it was something that had happened in the last twenty years I could understand your logic but migration to this country from all areas of the world is something that is not new, is not different and there is absolutely no reason to believe that it is a part of human nature to ask somebody of 'brown colour' if they are from Africa. It is sheer ignorance. As I said above if this was combined with an unusual accent then it is a part of human nature to ask where they are from. I spent quite a lot of time in the states when i was younger and I was asked that all the time. There is a huge difference in just making an assumption because of skin colour.

But it is unusual, people of a black colour are of a small minority in this country - even smaller in some areas than others. As it turns out, my friend was from Africa (Kenya) along with his family (where else would they be from? black skin is a genetic trait that comes from Africa and migration from Africa is a recent trend of the past 60 years) and wasn't put out at all, rather we spoke about Kenya at length.

It is Dan and you know it and is used frequently to target ethnic minorites. I suggest you google this headline and see what Stormforce say about the article.

So me asking my friend where his family originated from was me targeting an ethnic minority?

But you know whats the best part of all this, and it always appears to me to be true - its actually white politically correct do-gooders like yourself who end up being more 'offended' by situations like these than black people themselves. Indeed, black people themselves know they have originated from Africa and why? because the very obvious genetic trait of black skin comes from Africa.

Its all very clear stuff, unless you live on another planet.

Also I don't think Dirrty is too happy about your comments either.

Well Dirty just admitted he got the wrong end of the stick.

Nowhere am I blaming the child here but even to ask the question they must have heard this before - they don't think of questions out of thin air. You can't believe you having to explain this? LOL. I can't believe you are defending attitudes that disappeared from this Country decades ago for the majority of the people.

Children do ask questions out of thin air, they ask things like 'mummy why does that man have a funny face?' and all sorts of blunt and often loud questions. When I was younger I never stopped asking questions as my family told me, I remember my brother was facinated when he first saw a black man as was my cousin when my aunty had her black friend around - my cousin couldn't stop staring at him.

Why? because it isn't the usual in this country, and children don't have the mindset we have.

[e5]

A 7 year old will barely know what racism is?! His mum is right, he will be inquisitive! In no way in that racist asking a question if you don't know the answer! It's racist if it's directly being offensive about the Africans skin colour, which he wasn't. Not asking a simple genuine question!

[Zak]

I honestly couldn't give a crap about racism. Let people say what they want, if the other person doesn't like it let them deal with it themselves. I do get pissed off with some black people, as I do white people. I've never really been one for racist terms though.

All this publicity over something he wouldn't even think twice about saying. Ridiculous.