counterproductive moderation.

[Jordan]

The only problem I see with the video is that it contained the c word, which in any circumstances is not acceptable. I don't see a big issue with it being racist or offensive but either way it's removed because it is inappropriate.

[beth]

my problem is at the moment (with some of the moderation team, not all, jordan is very good at this infact) is there seems to be no intuition within the role. what happened to mod discretion?

it seems like everything is so set to the rules that like, idk, no-one uses their head and thinks actually for the vitality of this thread and whatever perhaps we can overlook the word (as long as there is a warning) as it is vital to the news story and is not aimed at anyone in the forum, and forum members will UNDERSTAND it is part of a news story and not a random offensive term. i dunno how to word it better perhaps someone clever like @Grig; or @GommeInc; could do it.

[Inseriousity.]

Imo moderation should always be about intent. If you are intending to be offensive it should be removed. If someone found it offensive and complained about it but the intent wasnt there then it should perhaps be removed in that case as well. As the intent was not to be offensive but actually to ridicule the one with those racist bigoted views and it was in the context of a current affairs post thread that is open for debate and discussion about issues including racism (lol a thread not about UKIP and the EU, we should be grateful ) then it should be left open for debate (and hopefully no-one would agree with him cos yeah he's a moron but that's a different matter altogether!).

[Lee]

Imo moderation should always be about intent. If you are intending to be offensive it should be removed. If someone found it offensive and complained about it but the intent wasnt there then it should perhaps be removed in that case as well. As the intent was not to be offensive but actually to ridicule the one with those racist bigoted views and it was in the context of a current affairs post thread that is open for debate and discussion about issues including racism (lol a thread not about UKIP and the EU, we should be grateful ) then it should be left open for debate (and hopefully no-one would agree with him cos yeah he's a moron but that's a different matter altogether!).

Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

[Zelda]

Indeed rediculously over moderated, get over it its a bloody word, only rude because its been used repeatedly for that use. Just put it under one of those box thingies warning u, and consideing it gave warnings before playing, :L alsoeveryones seen it Ye so, not like its going to hurt anyone's feelings or cause any problems, in the end, if you're hurt by such a video then what are you doing on the internet in the first,place where much more hurtful things exist then that left right and centre.

I can understand where moderation is coming from, but especially with lee the roboticness is rediculous, if anything contains the slightest possible minorly hurtful thing to even no one on forum, or just one rude word it gets removed, as bethie said where is mod discretion?

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Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

Ye but we can just put a warning on it surely? Also vid has warnings itself :L

[Jordan]

Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

Now the way I see it is this. the c word is not allowed completely so straight away it's not being allowed on the forum, the way ****** is being used in the thread to have an actual discussion on the topic, nothing silly. On BBC News, they filter out the c word completely but leave ****** as n*****.

But I have now found out it might be against the Fansite Way soooo.

[Chris]

Im sorry but I must disagree with you there because this is a Habbo fansite aimed at the younger member than say a regular teen discussion board so we have to be careful with the content we make available to the audience as some members here are quite young. It wouldn't be right to expose them to the sort of content in that video IMO.

I agree completely! Some people are forgetting this is a habbo fansite and not a general teen board.

Content like that video would never be condoned by habbo, therefore making it accessible on this forum goes against the fansite rules.

[xxMATTGxx]

We aren't allowed to do the following:

• Publish material that may be offensive such as racist and sexual content

Since the video is material that would be considered as racist then it's not something we would really want to be posted on the forum. I know in the past the BBC have apologised for people who have said the n'word on radios and so on, in regards of what you was mentioning Jordan.

[GommeInc]

Oh thats okay then, everyones seen it already so why should we bother removing it!

It doesn't work like that. If you want to watch it via an external source and discuss it after in the thread then that is fine, but the content will not be provided on the forum.

What's the point when Habbox seems against promoting active, relative discussions in the first place? It was relevant, and a suitable warning will suffice. You're protecting users from a self-induced danger when no-one will particularly care, especially when it shows misjustice in action from those who are meant to serve and protect their citizens. An interesting discussion which seems hindered.

Imo moderation should always be about intent. If you are intending to be offensive it should be removed. If someone found it offensive and complained about it but the intent wasnt there then it should perhaps be removed in that case as well. As the intent was not to be offensive but actually to ridicule the one with those racist bigoted views and it was in the context of a current affairs post thread that is open for debate and discussion about issues including racism (lol a thread not about UKIP and the EU, we should be grateful ) then it should be left open for debate (and hopefully no-one would agree with him cos yeah he's a moron but that's a different matter altogether!).

Agreed. Nice to see the Community understaind his community.

• Publish material that may be offensive such as racist and sexual content

That rule is a terrible rule to quote. Maybe offensive to... what? who? in general? The chinse girl was pretty offensive to any human with a soul. It isn't being used to cause offense to a user, it's being used to back up and support a discussion in the forum. As long as adequate warnings are placed then that should be enough, unless people really want to be offended and go seeking it (and therefore need immediate help to sort out their obvious mental issues).

[Jordan]

We aren't allowed to do the following:



Since the video is material that would be considered as racist then it's not something we would really want to be posted on the forum. I know in the past the BBC have apologised for people who have said the n'word on radios and so on, in regards of what you was mentioning Jordan.

Yeah I know and the BBC put the video in a warning saying it could upset others, but Habbo have control over this one really and maybe we should contact them to see if anything could be done to relax this rule? It's an clear problem on this site (not sure on others).