Muslims demand breakaway Islamic nation in Norway

[Kardan]

Really round here its very bad, heres a couple of examples
http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/ne...tate-1-4646239
http://www.thepressnews.co.uk/NewsDetails.asp?id=734


then look at our crime stastistics
http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Neighbou...y_and_Mirfield
Rated as one of the highest crime ratings in the country.

On average there is near to 1000 crimes a month near here and thats a lot for a small village like us

In none of those articles does it say they are protesting over new laws etc. It simply looks as two different ethnic groups, not getting along.

If people had any sense they would realise that gang violence which you'd usually associate with teenagers and young adults will not solve anything politically.

And Undertaker, I'm sure you will know that race isn't just based on the colour of their skin. So Pakistanis and Indians can still be racist towards one another.

[santa-my-nana]

In none of those articles does it say they are protesting over new laws etc. It simply looks as two different ethnic groups, not getting along.

If people had any sense they would release that gang violence which you'd usually associate with teenagers and young adults will not solve anything politically.

And Undertaker, I'm sure you will know that race isn't just based on the colour of their skin. So Pakistanis and Indians can still be racist towards one another.

I agree, I can find some to do with the law but frankly its getting late

[FlyingJesus]

News just in: everyone white has the same culture and values, and they never disagree with each other over anything. Crime did not exist before multicultural movements

[Kardan]

I've finally come up with an example on why this thread title is misleading.

It's like me posting a thread on a paedophile ring in the news with the headline "White Males sleep with 136 underage children".

Totally misleading. Yes, all the people in the paedophile ring may be white males, but I shouldn't describe them like that.

Then again, I still feel this example doesn't get the point totally across.

[Inseriousity.]

I don't really see how you can say multiculturalism has failed simply because a minority are trying to break away from it when the vast majority can live peacefully side by side and people from both sides are thinking 'what idiots.' Sadly, I can imagine this response will just make Brevik look like a hero to many with his warped extreme ideology and methods.

[GommeInc]

Surely if you want Sharia law you would go and live in a country that openly practices it? It's like wanting to live in a country with a common law or civil law system - you would choose most of Europe (Ci), the UK(Co), America (Co) etc etc in the same way you would choose a country that has a monarchy, dictatorship, deomocracy or even something as simple as weather or economy. I've never understood why some Muslim groups demand Sharia law in a foreign country when they're fleeing a country that is corrupted because of it or for other reasons indirectly linked to it.

Norway have quite a good police force and intelligence as far as I am aware. They won't take this sitting down. Assuming this gets anywhere. It could just be like the BDL, easily ignored and all bark with no bite.

[-:Undertaker:-]

News just in: everyone white has the same culture and values, and they never disagree with each other over anything. Crime did not exist before multicultural movements

Who said white people are exempt from this? quite the opposite as you can see examples (less extreme but still has the power to pull apart nations) of this now with one third of Scottish wanting to declare independence, seperatists in Wales and Cornwall, the Greeks and Germans at eachother throats, the Catalonians in Spain wanting to leave the Kingdom, the northern Italians fed up with the south ... so many examples all throughout history as to what happens when you fail to have or maintain a broad culture.

If Scotland and England (which have a 300-year British culture behind them) are struggling to feel as 'one' and stick together, what chance to Somalian/Indian/Pakistani groups with British stand? absolutely none. If you think it's a good thing importing and then having all these groups pulling nations apart then simply say so, but don't think we are exempt from historical patterns which will flare up.

If the EU project is failing (trying to forcibly unite Christian, European countries) then imagine a concept of uniting the United Kingdom, Norway, Somalia, Pakistan and India - that's what we're engaged in with mass immigration.

I don't really see how you can say multiculturalism has failed simply because a minority are trying to break away from it when the vast majority can live peacefully side by side and people from both sides are thinking 'what idiots.' Sadly, I can imagine this response will just make Brevik look like a hero to many with his warped extreme ideology and methods.

I don't see what a crazed murderer really has to do with a rational debate on multiculturalism and its clear failings - it makes no more sense than me comparing you to left wing mass murderers Fidel Castro or Che Guevara. I don't object to immigration, as long as these people integrate - if they don't want to integrate and want their own legal systems, retain seperare attitudes towards things such as democracy and want to declare independence - then why are they here and why did we allow them in? If you don't want to integrate into this country or wish to radically alter it according to alien values, I do not want you here threatening my country and way of life.

It always makes me laugh at how the left jumps to the defence of multiculturalism when a very big portion of these people who they allow in are very negative (often hateful) towards groups the left pretends to care about - think of women's rights, homosexuals and so on. Would you like to be gay or even a woman living in a muslim area of Bradford for example? of course not.

Surely if you want Sharia law you would go and live in a country that openly practices it? It's like wanting to live in a country with a common law or civil law system - you would choose most of Europe (Ci), the UK(Co), America (Co) etc etc in the same way you would choose a country that has a monarchy, dictatorship, deomocracy or even something as simple as weather or economy. I've never understood why some Muslim groups demand Sharia law in a foreign country when they're fleeing a country that is corrupted because of it or for other reasons indirectly linked to it.

Norway have quite a good police force and intelligence as far as I am aware. They won't take this sitting down. Assuming this gets anywhere. It could just be like the BDL, easily ignored and all bark with no bite.

I couldn't put it better myself, supporters of multiculturalism are usually well off middle class who don't have to live in areas where the English language is rarely spoken, British shops have long been replaced by spice shops and people are walking around in native dress - the politicians of the three main parties are prime examples of this because you would not find one of them living in inner city areas amongst Somalians, Indians or Pakistanis.

It would intimidate me and make me feel uncomfortable living somewhere like that, it makes others feel the same way (the famous example Enoch Powell cited in his speech).

[GirlNextDoor15]

this is absurd. with only 3.4% of population and yet, they demand an islamic nation or else, another 9/11? never islamophobic or saying they're weak etc. but they want too much imo

[Kardan]

this is absurd. with only 3.4% of population and yet, they demand an islamic nation or else, another 9/11? never islamophobic or saying they're weak etc. but they want too much imo

Read the article, it's an islamic terrorist group of about 5,000 people - not the whole muslim population of Norway.

This is why the title of this thread is misleading.