Duke Taken To Hospital As 'Precaution'

[dirrty]

just because i said that him being in hospital is a "meh" moment for myself (and that i don't have time for racists) does not mean that i'm personally offended by what he says (or anyone else who hides their racism within jokes as, well according to you it's ~acceptable). there is a difference between being aware/not accepting of racism, and being personally offended by it. i'm not personally offended by a lot of things as i try not to invest too much of my time/emotions into what goes on is this world because, well the public are just *****. and sorry, there's no "shock" for me. i've been on the receiving end of various forms of racism, so i've come to push aside that some people just love to run their mouths. but that doesn't mean that i should ignore, or not show my disdain.

so you can take your condescending tone somewhere else.

and, wow. i forgot that he's been 91 his whole life, and that he's never said anything previously in his younger years. once again, my fault. and in a general sense, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BLATANT RACISM, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ACCEPTABLE. jesus, how do you not get that? the majority of the time, racism isn't blatant. but i guess, it's not that easy for you to comprehend.

and (wow, i've put that a lot), where the hell are you getting griffin, hitler etc. comparisons from? i haven't mentioned that anywhere hahahahahaha, you really are pulling things out of the sky.

once again, i'm sorry that you can't fathem there being various forms of racism. there's no point in even arguing with you; it's pretty late. maybe you should go to bed and reply in the morning or something? :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

just because i said that him being in hospital is a "meh" moment for myself (and that i don't have time for racists) does not mean that i'm personally offended by what he says (or anyone else who hides their racism within jokes as, well according to you it's ~acceptable).

If the Duke were racist (having a lesser opinion of other races) then do you really think he would put up with having to travel the world and meet African leaders, the leadership of the Indian subcontinent, the Chinese/Indochinese leadership, the Arabs, the Turks, the South Americans and so on? if he were really hateful of other races, do you think he would be put through shaking hands with people of all different colours as well as sitting down to dinner with them?

He is Greek himself, and probably a thousand times more culturally aware than you and me will ever be.

there is a difference between being aware/not accepting of racism, and being personally offended by it. i'm not personally offended by a lot of things as i try not to invest too much of my time/emotions into what goes on is this world because, well the public are just *****. and sorry, there's no "shock" for me. i've been on the receiving end of various forms of racism, so i've come to push aside that some people just love to run their mouths. but that doesn't mean that i should ignore, or not show my disdain.

So again, is the Duke a racist like Nick Griffin and leaders of the KKK/neo-nazi groups in Europe and North America? are you seriously putting him with those people by classing him as a racist? and as for your personal circumstances, think to yourself whether his innocent comments in jest (usually not even about race anyway, usually about culture) are anything near the comments you've had in the past which probably were hateful and genuinely vile.

I thought not and if so - then you're just an insecure person.

so you can take your condescending tone somewhere else.

I'll explain simple terms to you in the manner in which I please.

and, wow. i forgot that he's been 91 his whole life, and that he's never said anything previously in his younger years. once again, my fault. and in a general sense, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BLATANT RACISM, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ACCEPTABLE. jesus, how do you not get that? the majority of the time, racism isn't blatant. but i guess, it's not that easy for you to comprehend.

Are you not aware of political correctness? political correctness and racism are completely different things (although you've already stated that virtually any comments on race are RACIZT), however with political correctness (a process since the 1960s) innocent comments which were the normal among the Dukes generation are now taken as racism when they're not.

Therefore many would say that the Duke may sound crude (not meaning any malice towards others of different races) but only because of the era he was brought up in.

and (wow, i've put that a lot), where the hell are you getting griffin, hitler etc. comparisons from? i haven't mentioned that anywhere hahahahahaha, you really are pulling things out of the sky.

No response then, I thought so.

Your logic is that the Duke is racist, so i'm asking you to lump him in with Nick Griffin and neo-nazis right now. Are you prepared to be brave, follow your own logic and look silly?

once again, i'm sorry that you can't fathem there being various forms of racism. there's no point in even arguing with you; it's pretty late. maybe you should go to bed and reply in the morning or something? :rolleyes:

I've been to bed darling, although from your posts i'd suggest you have some sleep as you're making yourself look absurd.

[dirrty]

bloody hell. the fact of the matter is that you're categorising all forms of racism, into one. that's the only issue here! i never said that he is a blatant racist like those who you've mentioned, and it's only yourself who has been forming those sentences. we as individuals have different 'faces' we hold. how we act in private, and how we act in public are, and can be completely different. our social settings dicate how we act. i don't have a clue how he acts in private (for obvious reasons), but the fact that he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL TERMS) casually throw racist 'jokes' is significant, and can give small hints to how he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL) act in private.

and of course they're not both completely comparable (phillip vs. hitler etc.), but once again you're dismissing different levels of racism. that's what everything boils down to!! political correctness shouldn't even come into the equation, as its just plain insulting to even argue that subtle racism comes under that umbrella.

and there's nothing wrong with my logic. you're the one who fails to take note that there are different levels of racism. just because it (or anything for that matter) is subtle, doesn't mean that it's acceptable. someone going up to an asian person and asking if they can see (or whatever remark they desire to say) isn't acceptable in any shape or form. but i guess, if someone said that in a 'joking' way, then it's fine?

hahaha, i'm making myself look absurd? really? lmao, this is all too hilarious.

[GommeInc]

He is mildly racist, but it seems to be in good faith rather than immediately belittling another culture on purpose to give a sense of superiority. He seems to do it just to make aware of stereotypes and joke about them, rather than to suggest they're useless and Britain is better.

If he was xenophobic he would have a fear of another culture and wouldn't visit them, which is what I think Undertaker was implying with his statement that he can't be racist if he goes to Africa to visit other world leaders (if he did he would be more in line with xenophobia than racism)

[dirrty]

He is mildly racist, but it seems to be in good faith rather than immediately belittling another culture on purpose to give a sense of superiority. He seems to do it just to make aware of stereotypes and joke about them, rather than to suggest they're useless and Britain is better.

If he was xenophobic he would have a fear of another culture and wouldn't visit them, which is what I think Undertaker was implying with his statement that he can't be racist if he goes to Africa to visit other world leaders (if he did he would be more in line with xenophobia than racism)

"he's mildly racist, but...". lmao i love when people start sentences like that. so him (or anyone for that matter considering it's not like this is a unique/special case) who makes racist jokes/statements do so "to make aware of stereotypes and jokes about them". really? like i mean is that your legit excuse for casual racism? because seriously...(and in regards to your point that they're useless and britain is better, no one has suggested that so i dunno where that's coming from...)
and nevertheless, i personally never said he was xenophobic :S (don't even know where that came from as it's not like i've even changed my stance throughout the past few posts), but just that he's racist (which you even agree with). as i've said in every single post of mine, being racist doesn't mean you're throwing literal **** at a minority or calling them a dirty ******/****; but there are different 'levels'. like, how is this so difficult for people to understand. you agree he's racist, i agree he's racist - that's it, end of discussion. lmao, like there shouldn't of even been a long-drawn discussion over it because it's not like i pulled the statement out of my arse or lied. boo@me for calling someone out on their ****, instead of that initial person being held responsible for their actions (regardless of whether it's minor or major); but instead people making excuses for things that don't even need to be said.

do people seriously just skim over my posts or something because i'm repeating the exact same points, not making outlandish statements and being extremely logical...

[GommeInc]

I was supporting your argument He is simply just a tiny bit racist. Undertaker is arguing that he can't be racist if he visits the other countries when you can be, if you didn't you would be xenophobic. It was based on your comment that there are different levels of racism He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it

[dirrty]

I was supporting your argument He is simply just a tiny bit racist. Undertaker is arguing that he can't be racist if he visits the other countries when you can be, if you didn't you would be xenophobic. It was based on your comment that there are different levels of racism He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it

oh sorry!! evidently read your post wrong, my bad. i just thought you were another person who was making excuses and was seriously shaking my head (obviously i was wrong).

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was supporting your argument He is simply just a tiny bit racist. Undertaker is arguing that he can't be racist if he visits the other countries when you can be, if you didn't you would be xenophobic. It was based on your comment that there are different levels of racism He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it

I haven't argued that, it can be true that if you visit other countries you can be racist - however the Duke with his wealth could easily refuse as he doesn't have to visit these countries, not to mention both he and HM the Qyeen actually seem to enjoy meeting people of different cultures. He says some politically incorrect things in jest, so what? the vast majority absolutely love him for it.

1. The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
2. Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

The Duke displays neither of these, therefore he is not a racist.

He is simply mildly racist, he doesn't go on to attack the culture or belittle it - just stereotype it

This to me just show you have the definition totally wrong as so many do, comments (even hateful ones) about culture are nothing to do with racism.

It is the same with multiculturalism, which I oppose - opposing multiculturalism has nothing to do with race yet people who are against it are labelled racist. The correct term for being against race is multiracialism.

bloody hell. the fact of the matter is that you're categorising all forms of racism, into one. that's the only issue here! i never said that he is a blatant racist like those who you've mentioned, and it's only yourself who has been forming those sentences. we as individuals have different 'faces' we hold. how we act in private, and how we act in public are, and can be completely different. our social settings dicate how we act. i don't have a clue how he acts in private (for obvious reasons), but the fact that he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL TERMS) casually throw racist 'jokes' is significant, and can give small hints to how he (AND OTHERS IN GENERAL) act in private.

and of course they're not both completely comparable (phillip vs. hitler etc.), but once again you're dismissing different levels of racism. that's what everything boils down to!! political correctness shouldn't even come into the equation, as its just plain insulting to even argue that subtle racism comes under that umbrella.

and there's nothing wrong with my logic. you're the one who fails to take note that there are different levels of racism. just because it (or anything for that matter) is subtle, doesn't mean that it's acceptable. someone going up to an asian person and asking if they can see (or whatever remark they desire to say) isn't acceptable in any shape or form. but i guess, if someone said that in a 'joking' way, then it's fine?

hahaha, i'm making myself look absurd? really? lmao, this is all too hilarious.

Yeah it is perfectly fine, its in jest with absolutely no malice. Only a reactionary who takes everything seriously would complain about it or be offended about it. If gay people took offence everytime anything negative was hinted at or joked about homosexuality, they'd never leave the house .. the same applies for people with ginger hair.

and there's nothing wrong with my logic. you're the one who fails to take note that there are different levels of racism.

It is your logic which says that any comments or jokes about race are racism, end of - that is your own logic, not mine.

The fact that you say that he's a racist end of and then hint that his death wouldn't be such a bad thing shows just how nasty you yourself are rather than the Duke.

[dirrty]

i never said "his death wouldn't be such a bad thing", talk about reaching. a 91 year old, who i personally don't have any feelings for doesn't remotely affect me; therefore why would i have any sorts of emotions if he passed away? i've never had any interest in the guy or what he does, so why would it come as a surprise if his passing would be a 'meh' moment? i'm not going to shed a tear if the president of france, my local mayor, or old headteacher passed away because there's no connection between them and myself on any level. i'm indifferent. so yes, that really makes me nasty doesn't it!!! :rolleyes:

and i don't even know why you're trying to prove something. like you're really, really, really trying to disprove that he isn't racist. are you drowning so much in your white privilege that you can't even just simply accept that casual racism isn't completely fine? god forbid an ethnic minority being offended by a racist comment/joke by a white person. i just find it amusing that you believe in the head of yours that you even have the audacity to tell others when and how they're allowed to be offended, and if it doesn't fit into your box, then they're "a reactionary who takes everything seriously". all i can do is just laugh at that really. i already said that i'm not personally offended by him in a previous comment, and i'm not over-reacting to his comments whatsoever, but rather 97% of these posts are towards yours. i've already accepted how he is as a person, and that's fine; i make one simple comment about him being racist and then you act like i just committed treason. if someone was personally offended by his 'jokes' (or other peoples casual racism) then there's nothing wrong with that. they have the right to be offended if they're the butt of the joke, just as much as someone has the right to tell the 'joke'. it's simple as that. there's not sense of being too sensitive, over-reacting or blowing something out of proportion. people should be placing their attention on those who find it acceptable to throw around casual racism in various social settings (and thus criticising them) without expecting any upset, opposed to going at the ethnic minorities at the end of the jokes. but i forgot that they aren't allowed to be offended because someone says that they shouldn't. way to force ones power over another...

oh, i'm sorry racism is oh so easy to simplify into a paragraph or two. it's easy to say things like that when you'll never be on the receiving end of anything like that, and if you 'supposedly' are, then it wouldn't even matter because of all the unearned power you naturally possess within society. seriously, why are you even to try and argue that he's not racist with me? i've already said that he's not a blatant racist, but rather throws casual racism around when he see fits. you can argue all you want about how he's not racist because you don't think he is, or he's not racist and anyone who thinks he is taking everything too seriously. you're not the first person to make up excuses for racism, and won't be the last. i've accepted things like that as i know everyone isn't the same, but its another matter when those excuses are continuously thrown around and acting like it's the person whose offended is the bad guy in the situation.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i never said "his death wouldn't be such a bad thing", talk about reaching. a 91 year old, who i personally don't have any feelings for doesn't remotely affect me; therefore why would i have any sorts of emotions if he passed away? i've never had any interest in the guy or what he does, so why would it come as a surprise if his passing would be a 'meh' moment? i'm not going to shed a tear if the president of france, my local mayor, or old headteacher passed away because there's no connection between them and myself on any level. i'm indifferent. so yes, that really makes me nasty doesn't it!!! :rolleyes:

You oughtn't to play silly, you know and I know you basically implied that because he is, in your clouded eyes, a racist, it wouldn't matter all that much if he hit the bucket. So nasty yet unwilling to stand by those nasty comments which makes you unprincipled as well.

and i don't even know why you're trying to prove something. like you're really, really, really trying to disprove that he isn't racist. are you drowning so much in your white privilege that you can't even just simply accept that casual racism isn't completely fine?

And what privilege would this be? i've been called harsh and crude racist terms before by friends and those in school who I know, because I have dark skin and black hair - so I react like a maniac and crawl into the corner? no, because understand context and can take a joke.

The same for gay comments as well, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

god forbid an ethnic minority being offended by a racist comment/joke by a white person. i just find it amusing that you believe in the head of yours that you even have the audacity to tell others when and how they're allowed to be offended, and if it doesn't fit into your box, then they're "a reactionary who takes everything seriously". all i can do is just laugh at that really. i already said that i'm not personally offended by him in a previous comment, and i'm not over-reacting to his comments whatsoever, but rather 97% of these posts are towards yours. i've already accepted how he is as a person, and that's fine; i make one simple comment about him being racist and then you act like i just committed treason. if someone was personally offended by his 'jokes' (or other peoples casual racism) then there's nothing wrong with that. they have the right to be offended if they're the butt of the joke, just as much as someone has the right to tell the 'joke'. it's simple as that. there's not sense of being too sensitive, over-reacting or blowing something out of proportion. people should be placing their attention on those who find it acceptable to throw around casual racism in various social settings (and thus criticising them) without expecting any upset, opposed to going at the ethnic minorities at the end of the jokes. but i forgot that they aren't allowed to be offended because someone says that they shouldn't. way to force ones power over another...

I'm not arguing about legislation or forcing anybody to do anything, i'm arguing the cultural context with you as you seem to find it very difficult to understand that a) he's a 91 year old who was born in an era without political correctness b) the majority of people find his quips hiliarious because they too are sick of political correctness & c) he's not a 'racist' as he doesn't look down on other races, indeed he's more cultured than you can ever dream to be.

But no, despite all that "omgz no he's a terrible racist and all racizm iz bad."

oh, i'm sorry racism is oh so easy to simplify into a paragraph or two. it's easy to say things like that when you'll never be on the receiving end of anything like that, and if you 'supposedly' are, then it wouldn't even matter because of all the unearned power you naturally possess within society.

I have been on the receiving ends of jokes and I don't class them as racist in the slightest, to be a racist you have to have a view of other races which is negative as explained by the definition.

seriously, why are you even to try and argue that he's not racist with me? i've already said that he's not a blatant racist, but rather throws casual racism around when he see fits. you can argue all you want about how he's not racist because you don't think he is, or he's not racist and anyone who thinks he is taking everything too seriously. you're not the first person to make up excuses for racism, and won't be the last. i've accepted things like that as i know everyone isn't the same, but its another matter when those excuses are continuously thrown around and acting like it's the person whose offended is the bad guy in the situation.

I don't make excuses about racism in the slightest, but going back to me apparently 'drowning so much in your white privilege', well then, perhaps you are drowning in your black pity culture that you seem to seek out so much? .. so much so even in innocent quips from a 91-year old.

Genuine racism (a lesser view of other races) ought to be condemned but un-PC jokes? that's not anti-racism, that's political correctness.