Transgender woman wants to fight in women's MMA

[Adam]

I never said my opinion is right, not once have I stated that my opinion is correct. An opinion cannot be correct.

Then she should form a transgender fighting championship league.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I'm just giving you my two cents. You see, the problem is I completely and utterly understand why she is now classed as a woman and I see why some people are taking the moral high ground (not a dig) and stating so but the fact is you cannot fully change genetics and genetics shows us that males are stronger (in general) than females. There's a reason there's no male vs female fights in the UFC because it would be a bloodbath. It's an unfair advantage for this transgender who, deep down, beneath the oestrogen injections and whatever, is still a man and still has male genetics that give her an advantage over her female counterparts. That's not saying that female cage fighters couldn't beat her up because I'm pretty sure Ronda Rousey would kill me, but that's down to training and conditioning.

All of this said, I think I covered this earlier on, if her female opponents have no problem with it then neither do I. Like I always said, if a female competitor is good enough and wants to compete with male counterparts than so be it.

I believe she is a man. This is an opinion. It is neither correct or incorrect in the eyes of everyone apart from myself. You can disagree or agree, still doesn't make it right or wrong.

Edit: I thank you for taking the mature approach to my counter-argument unlike a certain member here who was quick to pull his gun out of his holster and pull the trigger with his morale high ground approach.

[mrwoooooooo]

I never said my opinion is right, not once have I stated that my opinion is correct. An opinion cannot be correct.

Then she should form a transgender fighting championship league.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I'm just giving you my two cents. You see, the problem is I completely and utterly understand why she is now classed as a woman and I see why some people are taking the moral high ground (not a dig) and stating so but the fact is you cannot fully change genetics and genetics shows us that males are stronger (in general) than females. There's a reason there's no male vs female fights in the UFC because it would be a bloodbath. It's an unfair advantage for this transgender who, deep down, beneath the oestrogen injections and whatever, is still a man and still has male genetics that give her an advantage over her female counterparts. That's not saying that female cage fighters couldn't beat her up because I'm pretty sure Ronda Rousey would kill me, but that's down to training and conditioning.

All of this said, I think I covered this earlier on, if her female opponents have no problem with it then neither do I. Like I always said, if a female competitor is good enough and wants to compete with male counterparts than so be it.

I believe she is a man. This is an opinion. It is neither correct or incorrect in the eyes of everyone apart from myself. You can disagree or agree, still doesn't make it right or wrong.

Anyone who has an opinion different to tom is just wrong apparently

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[FlyingJesus]

If you take sperm from a man, egg from a woman and go through the same process as would normally happen then no. It's simulation of nature. Chopping a penis off is not simulation of nature.

If we're talking stem cell sperm/egg then yes, not a real human. Man made.

The "womb" and everything to do with feeding and growth in test-tube babies is mechanical. Sexual reassignment surgery uses the person's own body parts to mechanically engineer parts of their body. It's the exact same thing - in fact, sex change ops could quite easily be seen as less mechanical since it doesn't require machines to simulate body parts.

Anyone who has an opinion different to tom is just wrong apparently

As I've said countless times before, there is a huge difference between having an "opinion" and stating something that is incorrect. If you claim IT'S MY OPINION!!!! but can be proved wrong, it's no longer an opinion but a flawed dogma. This is not a difficult concept.

[Adam]

Anyone who has an opinion different to tom is just wrong apparently

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Tom isn't wrong, he just has a differing opinion to my own. I believe him to be wrong, but that doesn't make it so.

It's amazing how one person can hold the ego of ten thousand.

[FlyingJesus]

I heartily apologise for basing my opinions on facts

[Empired]

I never said my opinion is right, not once have I stated that my opinion is correct. An opinion cannot be correct.

Then she should form a transgender fighting championship league.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I'm just giving you my two cents. You see, the problem is I completely and utterly understand why she is now classed as a woman and I see why some people are taking the moral high ground (not a dig) and stating so but the fact is you cannot fully change genetics and genetics shows us that males are stronger (in general) than females. There's a reason there's no male vs female fights in the UFC because it would be a bloodbath. It's an unfair advantage for this transgender who, deep down, beneath the oestrogen injections and whatever, is still a man and still has male genetics that give her an advantage over her female counterparts. That's not saying that female cage fighters couldn't beat her up because I'm pretty sure Ronda Rousey would kill me, but that's down to training and conditioning.

All of this said, I think I covered this earlier on, if her female opponents have no problem with it then neither do I. Like I always said, if a female competitor is good enough and wants to compete with male counterparts than so be it.

I believe she is a man. This is an opinion. It is neither correct or incorrect in the eyes of everyone apart from myself. You can disagree or agree, still doesn't make it right or wrong.

Edit: I thank you for taking the mature approach to my counter-argument unlike a certain member here who was quick to pull his gun out of his holster and pull the trigger with his morale high ground approach.

This answer is much more fitted to a debate hehe.

I must agree, actually. I think things like tests should be done on her to see just how different she is from the rest of the female competitors and, if there is little difference, she should be allowed to continue with no buts. However, if there is a larger difference, I agree that the competitors should have say in whether or not she participates.

It's all very well the health and safety advisers saying no, but it's not their fight so it should really by up to the competitors. And there should definitely be no arguing if they decide against her participation.

[mrwoooooooo]

I heartily apologise for basing my opinions on facts

sure you can base your opinion just off facts, but I prefer to take the morality of the situation in to account. If Arsenal were bored of not winning anythin,g and they decided to all get sex changes so that they could play in women's football, and win something would that be morally right? not in my opinion

[Adam]

sure you can base your opinion just off facts, but I prefer to take the morality of the situation in to account. If Arsenal were bored of not winning anythin,g and they decided to all get sex changes so that they could play in women's football, and win something would that be morally right? not in my opinion

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE WRONG?!

[FlyingJesus]

This woman didn't change sex so that she could win a competition, obviously that would be utterly ridiculous. All you're doing is showing how little you know about transsexuals. As for morality, Fallon Fox is a woman; forcing her to fight in a men's competition would be massively immoral not to mention downright disrespectful

[Adam]

Nobody is forcing her to do anything. She just cannot compete in womens competition because she's not a woman.