It sounds abit complex ;\
I always think that when you die thats it, your lifes just blank and you no longer excist...
But im christian cause thats just the way i was brought up ;\
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Thread: Do you believe in 'god'?
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it really is complex.....(for those of you who are bored and want to read about timelessness (infinity))
everything is infinite.Most people assume that the big bang theory indicates that the existence of the universe has a beginning, but as the renowned physicist Stephen Hawking recognizes, what we call time exists within a greater timelessness. Our universe is part of a permanent and unchanging landscape. To the surprise of many, all the greatest physicists such as Hawking, Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, and David Bohm, all firmly concluded from their science work that the universe exists timelessly. Everything that we know in time is a product of timelessness. So then what exactly is the timeless universe like?
In timelessness each moment we experience is solidly real, static and unchanging. Each is like a pattern and each has existed forever. Surprisingly the whole of all patterns has a shape that can be modeled and understood. The shape of timelessness explains why time has a beginning and reveals that time has an end.
The original state of the big bang is often called Alpha, and in science we now know the universe is expanding directly toward the extreme state of absolute zero, which I call Omega. In timelessness, Alpha and Omega are ultimate boundaries beyond which no other possibilities exist. So they allow us to frame and see the structure of timelessness. All other patterns and possibilities exist trapped between Alpha and Omega, and the whole body can be visualized in a very simple way.
Today we model the set of all possible patterns with what is called the second law of thermodynamics. Presently we view possibilities with a model where there is generally an ever fewer measure of ordered states in the past, and an ever increasing measure of disordered states toward the future. Consequently, most scientists believe the universe is becoming increasingly disordered with time. This has long been the most disappointing lesson of science because it suggests the evolution of time has no purpose or meaning.
However, in 1998 we discovered the expansion of the universe is presently accelerating, and we are now slowly coming to terms with the fact that the universe is moving directly toward absolute zero. Here I explain that the absolute zero in our future is not disorder, it is a radical state of balance common to everything that exists, even the greater infinity of worlds. Zero is the great attractor for all time and change.
There is a trend, an organized flow to the evolving universe, but the second law is not correct in how it describes that pattern evolution. Patterns are transforming in a very specific way. Entropy, the unusable energy in the universe is ever increasing. But this is only because the universe is evolving away from one type of order toward a completely different type of order.
What we haven't realized in science yet is that there are two kinds of order in nature, one kind of order exists in our past, while another exists in our future, and the seeming trend toward disorder is more fully a trend toward the balance and wholeness of a cosmic equilibrium state.
Discovering that there are two kinds of order is perhaps the grandest step we can make toward understanding how nature works, revealing the governing dynamics of both the physical and the human universes. It even explains how our finite universe fits together with the big picture.
If the forms of this world die, which is more real,the me that dies or the me that's infinite? Can I trust my habitual mind or do I need to learn to look beneath those things?
THE SWEET IS NEVER AS SWEET, WITHOUT THE SOUR.
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I still don't get how God was made...
Not like he was an ape like we were supposely and he flew away to heaven ;\
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GOD I HATE GOD!!!!!!
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my friend believes this below. this will confuse u.
In a world beyond our intelligence (so here nothing is like it is on earth....no matter what i can think of, everything exceeds the depths of my imagination) someone or something is controlling everything we do. They are controlling our brains, SO, they make our decisions. They made me take the decision to write this message, someone to make this forum, discover the internet, power, ETC. SOOooo does it realy matter to exist or question our existence, if everything we think is already planned out -Already been made so we never actaully live. There is no point in existence or death becuase its all planned.
it took me a while to grasp this concept :rolleyes:
a guy i met on t'internet believes the matrix is based on real life
another believes we are a game (like The Sims) being played by a little child in a mirrored universe of this one
finally, and the strangest, was a guy who believed we are God's breakfast. When we look up we see a yolk (the sun) and if its cloudy...the egg. He explained someother stuff but it was faaaaaaaaar fetched beyond anything.
^^ so ... NO-ONE EVER AGREES. RELIGION IS A THEORY LIKE THE ONE ABOVE. SOME HAVE EVIDENCE WHICH PEOPLE BELIEVE, SOME ARE FABRICATIONS OF THE MODERN WORLD. LIFE MAKES NO SENSE AND NEVER WILL. THE END.
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i dont think youve quite g****d how evioltion works, dipite some strange human obession we cannot stop the prossess, but anyway more persifcaly, Our rase will not be replaced. but it will change, we will evolve, but we will still be us, in many millions of use the human rase may not even resemble what it is today, yet it will still be the human race, and no one will have noticed the chanegs since there so gradual, onlky via comparson of large time scales would the evoltuonry changes be noticed, Its very unlikly humans will ever die out until our planet itself is swallowed by the sun, but we will change in ways our currant minds probaly cannot yet even contemplate "/ Athogh at technolgical rate, we will prbaly have assened our planet, or possibly even our currant form by the time the sun does **** earth up.
Originally Posted by Forest-Law
I dissagree, humans are machinces biolgical machines, a robot contsrution can never come close to our level of sufficticaion, we are limiting the exsppances of the currant storgae techolgys already, it is the biological computers that will come next, wich will living orgnaims used to prossess data. to be like the human, brain, by that time it may as well be a human brain. Biolgical computer systems are already under devolopment as well if your intereted.
One day, mankind is going to create an exact replica of a human brain. Transferred into computers can and will create robot replicas of ourselves.
And when this technology eventually displaces human inteligence, we would have destroyed ourselves.
Nature is slow but effective, us humans, are far slower, but also far more prone to massive error, so if we can ever beat nature, wich created us, and create something better, is still questonable, and keep in mind, nature is still working, we are still evoilving, the bugs are being worked out, via natral selection, even if we have limited its effects and slowed our own eveoltion down "/
Where already in space, earth is in space? everything is in space, hence how the word works, space. Space is still a phisical exisnave anyway if thats what yoiur getting at and why may a human fly in to space, in enogh time, it could possible be such a simple thing as survival, athogh for the mean time exsplortion is the main reason. All your doing is makeing up reasons why god could exist. But you dont seem to get, there is no univce, or no other univcer, there was NOTHING, so no rules at all to start with, no other univce no this univce, so god would need to be created , or the other univer in wich "god" lives would have to be created, but anyone with sence can see its far easyer and simpler and therefor more likly to it just to be this univce to be created, and skip all the god ****.
This is just one theory btw. Why does human life fly into space if not looking for explanations...to be all knowing....hence, FREEDOM.
We know Nothing, about god, full stop. Theres nothing suggesting a greater world, at all, all it is stupid complications to a relativly simple univce when it comes down to it.we know nothing about the place where God comes from. It exceeds the human mind, so nothing is impossible there, becuase all this, in this universe makes no relevence, in a greater "world".
There is no "truth" to the bible (i use truth in the phiophical term) or even to religion in its own right "/
Thats self contrdicaty, since answers no questions, just trys to perswade people to be ignorat. if we were created by another world, who created the world who created us, if this world didnt need creating, how come ours did? Originally Posted by Forest-Law
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Nope, load of ****!
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seriously, i've proven my point, people have proven theirs. i don't agree with theirs and they don't agree with mine. they think i'm wrong, and i think they're wrong. no-one wins.
^^ so ... NO-ONE EVER AGREES. RELIGION IS A THEORY LIKE THE ONE ABOVE. SOME HAVE EVIDENCE WHICH PEOPLE BELIEVE, SOME ARE FABRICATIONS OF THE MODERN WORLD. LIFE MAKES NO SENSE AND NEVER WILL. THE END.
(and some of u won't agree with this sooooo like the universe this thread is infinite)
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You're one of the only person that backs up what you say.
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Religion is a theary, and so is sciences views, it is currantly immpoible to prove ether, yet sciancve has proved some of it, religion has only been disproved over time. Originally Posted by Forest-Law
Scinace is conculsons based on the facts, while religion, is a conclusion on wich facts are based on.
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