PS4 or XBOX ONE

[GommeInc]

Are you criticizing microsoft for changing its policy or...?

It seems that some people are SO set on the PS4 that microsoft just simply cannot do anything right.

Microsoft are criticized for the always online thing and used game charges. So what do they do?
Remove the always online thing and change the way used games work. So now they're criticized for changing their policy and just in general for 'setting off on the wrong track'.

Seriously, we know you're gonna get the PS4; you don't have to try to mock the xbox one at every given opportunity. :rolleyes:

It is hilarious from a business point of view. It shows how poor they are in the decision making department. Their whole marketing department needs taking out and publicly executed for this whole fiasco.

That said, changing their policy for the benefit of their customers and business partners is nothing but good, and commendable. Let's hope they do not make any more daft decisions that need reverting, and they continue to keep listening to the wishes of the customers.

[Matthew]

It is hilarious from a business point of view. It shows how poor they are in the decision making department. Their whole marketing department needs taking out and publicly executed for this whole fiasco.

That said, changing their policy for the benefit of their customers and business partners is nothing but good, and commendable. Let's hope they do not make any more daft decisions that need reverting, and they continue to keep listening to the wishes of the customers.

Yeah I agree that they made poor decisions but with some people it seems to be that microsoft is criticized when they implement something and then are criticized when they remove it

[Southe,]

I am criticizing Microsoft. They aren't changing there policies for the right reasons, they were being slaughtered in pre-orders and that is why they made the DRM/Always online reversal.

They then said indie devs need a publisher to release games, because indie devs in turn said they would not release games on the X180. They didn't change there policy because it was the right thing to do it was because Ps4 was getting all the indie devs and then it becomes a selling point for the Ps4 like they showed at E3.

Major Nelson is quoted saying
"We can’t just flip a switch to turn off DRM. The console was built around it"
And they clearly "flipped a switch"

Then you have Phil Spencer..
"We have a product for people who can't access the internet, It's called Xbox 360"

And after that goof up and announcing the changes they say on there 180 announcement.
"Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback"
They made out they were listening to the fans and customers when in reality they were trying to gain some self respect back from there poor performance since announcement since they were being slaughtered.

Here's a quote that describes my feelings exactly.
"It shows a lack of vision, planning and leadership to reveal the policy, double-down on it, say how great it is, then change it. That's all."
— Colin Moriarty (@notaxation) June 19, 2013

Sony has been doing a great job with the Ps4 and selling it to the customers. Was the topic of discussion today at work and currently Ps4 leads the way with 8/1 and the 1 is considering switching to play with us. and 2 people undecided.

How anyone can just ignore everything Xbox has done the past couple of months is beyond me.

[magnalolkk]

I was always with Xbox until Xbox one was revealed , I want to get PS4

[Swinkid]

Ps4. I liked the TV and Skype stuff on xbox and I thought it had a great line-up, However I no longer trust microsoft with my Data due to Skype giving information to the NSA and therefore going to PS4. A lot of my mates are getting a PS4 so it makes sense for me. Only thing I'll be missing out on will be Forza, but that's going to be ruined since it was built around the always on idea. Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with always on sicne I am always online. I just don't trust Microsoft just yet. I will however probably end up getting both anyway.

[JoeyK.]

I will say that I like Kinect being built into the One. Kind of like Wii having motion sensors built into the base unit, it will encourage devs to use it. However, since so many games are multiplatform and built for both PS4 and the One, I can see them adding the option for the PS4 camera as well, and not developing many third-party games around the assumption that the camera is usable. In a way, Sony kind of spit on Microsoft again after suckerpunching them at E3 by not including it in the box.

Really sad that I'll miss Titanfall though, looks awesome. Just not $500 for the console + $60 for the game awesome.

[Chris]

I will say that I like Kinect being built into the One. Kind of like Wii having motion sensors built into the base unit, it will encourage devs to use it. However, since so many games are multiplatform and built for both PS4 and the One, I can see them adding the option for the PS4 camera as well, and not developing many third-party games around the assumption that the camera is usable. In a way, Sony kind of spit on Microsoft again after suckerpunching them at E3 by not including it in the box.

Really sad that I'll miss Titanfall though, looks awesome. Just not $500 for the console + $60 for the game awesome.

You could still get titanfall on 360 or PC

[Southe,]

I will say that I like Kinect being built into the One. Kind of like Wii having motion sensors built into the base unit, it will encourage devs to use it. However, since so many games are multiplatform and built for both PS4 and the One, I can see them adding the option for the PS4 camera as well, and not developing many third-party games around the assumption that the camera is usable. In a way, Sony kind of spit on Microsoft again after suckerpunching them at E3 by not including it in the box.

Really sad that I'll miss Titanfall though, looks awesome. Just not $500 for the console + $60 for the game awesome.

" its definitely not out of the question " from one of Titanfall devs regarding a Ps4 release. If its a hit expect it to come to Ps4 soon after, Microsoft doesn't have exclusivity on it at the most its only a timed one. Just like i see Dead Rising 3 being released on Ps4 at some point.

And just because the hardware is there doesn't mean the devs will use it. Kinect for example, Just because its now built in doesn't mean people will still use it for there games. If it turns out X180 users still prefer to use a controller and only use Kinect for non gaming features then devs aren't going to waste there time, effort, money and resources on something that nobody wants.

[JoeyK.]

Both of your replies are very true

Honestly my favorite announcement of E3 was KH3 coming to the PS4 and the One, as well as Square's announcement that it was being developed specifically for the PS4 and the One version will be a port, the same with FF XV. Revenge for all the BS I went through with Skyrim on the PS3? I can only hope

[Southe,]

KH3 was the highlight for me as well, but the Xbox 180 release is pointless. I'm all for 3rd party devs to release there content on multi plats (screw you capcom with your Dead Rising 3) but they haven't had any of the games.

They were Ps2, and now the Ps3 is getting HD Collections with the portable spinoffs as movie/cutscenes meaning we get the whole story where as the 180 has had 0 Kingdom hearts games. If they were releasing the HD collections for the 360 as well then it would have made sense.

KH3 should be a PS4 exclusive and since its meant to finish off the current storyline, KH4 would be an ideal place to let X180 players join in. That or release the collections for 360. Stuff like Dead Rising going multi plat then back to exclusive and Bayonetta going Multi Plat then making the sequel for a console that didn't have the first game is stupid.