Fire Comity and vls

[Martin]

okay @subo; im sorry for asking you to remove it, I hope you can accept my apology, was probably a wrong decision in hindsight and if you do forgive me then it would be awesome if you could put it back in and run the event whenever you like on behalf of Habbox

[Kardan]

The difference being that the room is not owned by a member of staff, and whilst I agree the event is popular and amazing, from a community point of view it gives the impression that subo is events staff hosting on behalf of habbox etc.

Most people tend to search Habbox on the navigator to find what event is going on, and several members in the official event found it unfair that their room was not being noticed, despite lots of attempts at advertising etc.




In the past whenever a non member of Habbox staff has tried hosting an event in the Habbox name and its not an official Habbox room then they've been asked to remove the Habbox part.


The current policy in events is that only one event can be hosted at a time, so the fact that there were Habbox staff (including events staff) in the strangers game, whilst a trialist was struggling to populate his room in the official event seemed a little unfair.

I didn't make that policy, its just there, and we don't allow clashes etc. From those who don't know's point of view subo is representing Habbox, and personally I would love it if she became Habbox staff so it could become official all the time etc, not just when a Habbox host is hosting in there etc.


Even if she was staff though, we've always discouraged multiple events at the same time, and im pretty sure most places have the same policy, due to how hard it is anyway to get a full room.


You're right in that events generally need to be more varied and interesting (whilst keeping some of the old favourites of course), but we do need to keep things fair and if an event isn't advertised on our site, forum etc, but is treated like a habbox event on the client, people do become confused as to whats going on.





Why didn't you book it so it could have been added to the calendar/panel and counted towards your minimum?




I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but Alex agreed with me that the correct action was taken, and its just the policy really, it wasn't beacause I was trying to be a kiljoy. Perhaps it is something we need to look into, perhaps non members of staff should be allowed to host events whenever they want using habbox in the name, but I think it needs to be clear to everyone regardless.

I don't think anyone is attacking you Martin, it's just that the policy in place seems kind of stupid.

The policy states that it is better to have the trialist struggling with a room of 10 people, rather than have the trialist struggling with 10 people (still) and another room with 30+ in it.

Now, it's pretty clear that 40 > 10, especially since you said yourself it's hard to get people in the room.

It's just common sense that this 'One event at a time' policy needs changing. It's not difficult.

[Yawn]

im not offended or bothered at all its a non issue

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p.s. i dont rly wna be tied down with staff responsibilities and wouldnt want to host the typical events/games. im just happy to let habbox use my room cos i know how much the game is loved and how enjoyable it is

[Martin]

I was under the impression that Habbox events staff are supposed to be promoting Habbox, not themselves. Throwing away a constant stream of people in a 50-max room for 3 hours because it's "unfair" on someone whose event isn't fun enough to get 5 is ludicrous.



Not that hard at all, as was proved today by Graham and Myles



Then the simple solution is to allow EOs to host whenever they like and simply give the rule that a CNB must be posted for every hour that they host it, no matter who else is hosting at the same time. Habbo's population is limited, certainly, but there are far more people online at any one time than a single event could ever hold

sounds like a plan! Will see what @Smurfed-; and @Foregetfuhl; think.

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I don't think anyone is attacking you Martin, it's just that the policy in place seems kind of stupid.

The policy states that it is better to have the trialist struggling with a room of 10 people, rather than have the trialist struggling with 10 people (still) and another room with 30+ in it.

Now, it's pretty clear that 40 > 10, especially since you said yourself it's hard to get people in the room.

It's just common sense that this 'One event at a time' policy needs changing. It's not difficult.

It's not always a struggle, quite often I have events with 30+ people in, and see others with the same, so I'm not sure why this event in particular was so hard to get started at 6pm on a sunday which is pretty much prime time


I can completely agree with you though, more advertising is always beneficial, its just in the past I've always witness non Habbox staff being asked to remove Habbox from their room name unless the room is official, but I do think we should allow any room to be official in that sense if its for the good of Habbox and doing a positive thing.

Would be nice if we were able to help promote it too our end though perhaps so its reflected on the site/forum too etc and recognised as official by us rather than just on the client, so that people don't get confused etc.

[Yawn]

also i agree with the decision because i can completely understand how it would steal all the room guests and overpower the smaller booked in events and thats unfair

without the tag it made no difference to my room and the other event had the best chance possible to get players it was win/win

[lawrawrrr]

So if we take your point of a badly run competition and try and translate that to the events department... How can Comity and co. possibly host worse events then what we already have?


And, you're telling me, if you wanted to host anything that gave a prize on the forum, you would be reprimanded by staff?

And secondly, please do tell me how hosting 2 events at the time will make 0 people attend either event. I really don't understand the logic behind that at all.


"Oh no, there's two events! Best not go to either!"
"Oh no, there's two threads on the forum, best not reply to either!"
"Oh no, there's two buses coming along at once, best not get on either!"

Seems flawed.

I'm just saying if the rule was brought in that multiple events could run at the same time that there may not be a normal event and a fantastic event like Graham & Co.'s, but there could be two really boring events that few people turn up to anyway.

Yes I do believe that would be the case, if it was in the style of a Habbox competition and could be mistaken for being official, because I think most logical people would say it could come off worse for Habbox's reputation

Exaggeration - I meant more that not enough people would turn up to make the event worth it, or even be able to run!

I think the only real outcomes are these:

• 2 events are booked and hosted; one exciting and one 'normal' - normal gets 4/5 attendees, exciting gets 50 for the whole hour, basically making the 'normal' host irrelevant because they can't play (and jesus christ that's a really crap feeling when that constantly happens)
• 2 events are booked and hosted; two 'normal' events - people do not know which one to go to and don't bother seeing which one is running (as I think it would create confusion as Habbo fansites normally don't have more than 1 event at a time)
• 1 event is booked and hosted; an exciting one, where 50 people turn up for the whole hour, then are directed to the next event, where they MAY go, making an event where normally 10 different people would turn up be more popular

But that's all about official events hosts; as for Habbox members hosting events they can do whatever they please but if Habbox management don't want more than one official event then they are well within their right to ask them to stop portraying it as an official event. Can still advertise without insinuating official event-ness!

If someone was to set up a racist group with [Habbox] tags it'd be the same case really, it's only because Strangers was so popular that this has been brought up. I love the game, but think it should be booked officially and follow proper events protocols, especially when it seems to be at least co-run by an official organiser.

[myles]

After the two hours before a slot was booked there were many players waiting to play the game so we felt obliged to host more games.
I also dont think it was intentional for subo to keep the habbox tag in the room name as she doesnt have the perms to see the events calender

[Kardan]

sounds like a plan! Will see what @Smurfed-; and @Foregetfuhl; think.

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It's not always a struggle, quite often I have events with 30+ people in, and see others with the same, so I'm not sure why this event in particular was so hard to get started at 6pm on a sunday which is pretty much prime time


I can completely agree with you though, more advertising is always beneficial, its just in the past I've always witness non Habbox staff being asked to remove Habbox from their room name unless the room is official, but I do think we should allow any room to be official in that sense if its for the good of Habbox and doing a positive thing.

Would be nice if we were able to help promote it too our end though perhaps so its reflected on the site/forum too etc and recognised as official by us rather than just on the client, so that people don't get confused etc.

By the sounds of it, everything about this event was official except for two things. The fact they were essentially hiring out subo's room... Why this is an issue I don't understand. Surely the event host would be the one hosting the game, and not necessarily the room owner.

And secondly, because it wasn't on the CNB, and by the sounds of it, the reason why it wasn't on there is because restrictions get put in place when it becomes an "official" event. If there are restrictions that are putting people off from hosting then maybe these need to be looked at.

[lawrawrrr]

OH CAN I JUST ADD I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE GUEST HOSTS WHO HAVE SHOWN AN OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION TO EVENTS BUT WHO DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO ADHERE TO MINIMUMS

[Kardan]

I'm just saying if the rule was brought in that multiple events could run at the same time that there may not be a normal event and a fantastic event like Graham & Co.'s, but there could be two really boring events that few people turn up to anyway.

Yes I do believe that would be the case, if it was in the style of a Habbox competition and could be mistaken for being official, because I think most logical people would say it could come off worse for Habbox's reputation

Exaggeration - I meant more that not enough people would turn up to make the event worth it, or even be able to run!

I think the only real outcomes are these:

• 2 events are booked and hosted; one exciting and one 'normal' - normal gets 4/5 attendees, exciting gets 50 for the whole hour, basically making the 'normal' host irrelevant because they can't play (and jesus christ that's a really crap feeling when that constantly happens)
• 2 events are booked and hosted; two 'normal' events - people do not know which one to go to and don't bother seeing which one is running (as I think it would create confusion as Habbo fansites normally don't have more than 1 event at a time)
• 1 event is booked and hosted; an exciting one, where 50 people turn up for the whole hour, then are directed to the next event, where they MAY go, making an event where normally 10 different people would turn up be more popular

But that's all about official events hosts; as for Habbox members hosting events they can do whatever they please but if Habbox management don't want more than one official event then they are well within their right to ask them to stop portraying it as an official event. Can still advertise without insinuating official event-ness!

If someone was to set up a racist group with [Habbox] tags it'd be the same case really, it's only because Strangers was so popular that this has been brought up. I love the game, but think it should be booked officially and follow proper events protocols, especially when it seems to be at least co-run by an official organiser.

I'm going to assume that most of the forum is capable of recognising whether a competition is official or not by looking to see what forum it's in. I never had any issues when hosting my Mole series, and many many people host competitions all the time. Surely it makes sense that the only official competitions are those in the competitions forum, and you should have free reign to do what you want.

This is another example of the restrictions you get being staff, and I can see why people are put off from being staff.

Frankly, with the events department, it's in such a dire state that anything really would be a positive thing to do - instead of saying 'Oh no, we've got a popular event and the crap event is doing even crapper' we should be asking ourselves 'Why do we have crap events in the first place?'