David Cameron and Godfrey Bloom release their Christmas cards

[-:Undertaker:-]

So majority of the population?

I didn't know that the majority of the population read the Guardian, last time I checked it had run up huge debts.

And before you say 'nanana BBC blah blah blah' by BBC in general I mean the BBC itself, ie the staff. Truth is, the opinions that those who read the Guardian (BBC staff very much included as numerous BBC insiders have admitted to the left wing bias that the BBC holds - which i'll provide evidence for if you so wish) are pretty much the minority on issues facing this country.

Again, if you are going to reply then i'll post all of the links on BBC bias if you so wish me to.

[The Don]

I didn't know that the majority of the population read the Guardian, last time I checked it had run up huge debts.

And before you say 'nanana BBC blah blah blah' by BBC in general I mean the BBC itself, ie the staff. Truth is, the opinions that those who read the Guardian (BBC staff very much included as numerous BBC insiders have admitted to the left wing bias that the BBC holds - which i'll provide evidence for if you so wish) are pretty much the minority on issues facing this country.

Again, if you are going to reply then i'll post all of the links on BBC bias if you so wish me to.

Obviously I meant the BBC as well otherwise I would have only highlighted the guardian...

[Chippiewill]

Why is Dave wearing a suit in a Christmas card? What a ****head.

Sometimes I wonder if he intentionally makes himself look out of touch.

[Inseriousity.]

arent you middle class dan or does pointing out that someone is upper middle class mean you can pretend youre familiar with working class life!
apologies if youre not though. im going by a thread from years ago so my memory might be hazy.

[AgnesIO]

How upper middle class and enlightened you are.

That is absolutely fine by me; there is simply some vocabulary in the English language that I wouldn't use, and couldn't imagine others around me using. Other words that I really dislike are "ain't", "fam", most taboo lexis that I wouldn't typically use in a day to day conversation (of course, if I kick a door frame, the chances are I will swear. Loudly.) I am generally more care-free whilst typing, not exactly sure why).

lol what. I post mainly from the Daily Telegraph (non-murdoch) and Daily Mail (non-murdoch).

Find me the last time recently that I posted a story from The Times, the News of the World, The Sun or the Financial Times and i'll give you a +rep and a sticker.

No, but you did excellently quote "the Australian" as a reliable news source. A Murdoch paper (nice work not mentioning that one!) However, forgive me, I should have phrased what I meant better; Murdoch-esque news. Ie. sensationalist rubbish based on poor data and/or unreliable sources that is made to scare the public for reason x, y or z.

Never said they were perfect, said a few times in the past actually that they're the means to an end. But that's another story and debate.

You mean, once we leave the EU they will be pointless? I sure do hope so. At least if it keeps Nigel Farage away from the public.

Well actually I mainly posted it to wind people like you up who went on a big rant about how racist etc he was when he made those bongo-bongo/women are ***** comments.

And Cameron is out of touch, as I prove week in and week out. I don't need a photo to prove it.

In which case, why did you feel the need to include David Cameron in a thread with a link to a news article... that doesn't mention David Cameron once. I wouldn't suggest he is in touch with the normal British public, although I would question whether Nigel Farage, the leader of UKIP, is either.

Ever noticed how both David Cameron and Nigel Farage feel the need to be photographed repeatedly holding a pint? As if that suddenly brings them in-line with the British public? To me, that suggests they both know they are not "typical", and need to try and prove they are. Meanwhile, the same Google search shows very little of Ed Miliband or Nick Clegg (although, I would suggest Clegg is out of touch, but is just useless at trying to show he isn't).

Nigel Farage Pint // David Cameron Pint // Ed Miliband Pint // Nick Clegg Pint

Just thought this was interesting after seeing it a while back.

Well at least that's a start.

Nice work quoting the whole comment, and ignoring the second (relevant) part.

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I also laughed at how you mention readers of the BBC and the Guardian, as if the vast majority of the population are not readers of the BBC.

[AgnesIO]

[GommeInc]

Both cards seem creepy and egotistical. If I was either of them I'd be creative, like take a photo of Downing Street while it's snowing (regarding Cameron).

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, but you did excellently quote "the Australian" as a reliable news source. A Murdoch paper (nice work not mentioning that one!) However, forgive me, I should have phrased what I meant better; Murdoch-esque news. Ie. sensationalist rubbish based on poor data and/or unreliable sources that is made to scare the public for reason x, y or z.

I had and have no idea of the Australian and instead was pointing out the poll. I sometimes post poll articles from the Guardian which is a paper that gives a platform to terrorists and child fiddlers, why does nobody criticise the Guardian I wonder?

Let's face it - your just using the 'OMG MURDOCH PAPA' to discredit any paper or news source that isn't the 'Independent', the Guardian, the Observer or the BBC. If you think i'm going to post from one of those rags then you're very much mistaken. No, the Telegraph and some Mail articles do me fine thank you very much.

And the rest of the country agree according to the circulation figures.

You mean, once we leave the EU they will be pointless? I sure do hope so. At least if it keeps Nigel Farage away from the public.

Well, partly - but to first leave the EU the Conservative Party must be destroyed/split open.

That to me is main point in UKIP.

In which case, why did you feel the need to include David Cameron in a thread with a link to a news article... that doesn't mention David Cameron once. I wouldn't suggest he is in touch with the normal British public, although I would question whether Nigel Farage, the leader of UKIP, is either.

Well at least Farage has had a job in the real world unlike Cameron, Miliband and Clegg who have spent their whole lives working in politics. Farage left the real world to fight for a cause he believed in, the others just went straight into running the country without any experience of business or work in general.

Ever noticed how both David Cameron and Nigel Farage feel the need to be photographed repeatedly holding a pint? As if that suddenly brings them in-line with the British public? To me, that suggests they both know they are not "typical", and need to try and prove they are. Meanwhile, the same Google search shows very little of Ed Miliband or Nick Clegg (although, I would suggest Clegg is out of touch, but is just useless at trying to show he isn't).

Farage has a reputation for loving his drink, hence why he got ran over when he was young because he was drunk (walking home). The others don't. Of course it's all partially PR, but the difference is that at least you can imagine Farage being normal down at the pub whereas you just can't imagine the others - who are very stiff and rigid - being a normal bloke down the pub.

In very much the same way that noboby could have imagined Attlee as the kind of loud mouthed leader that Churchill was - hence why Attlee didn't try to imitate somebody he couldn't. Or for another comparison: Thatcher compared with Major. People buy Farage as a man down the pub because he just has that personality. People don't buy the other three as that because they're not and are just being put up to it by their PR agents. It's simply not belivable.

Anyway I don't have any idea why any of this matters, surely policy is what matters?

I also laughed at how you mention readers of the BBC and the Guardian, as if the vast majority of the population are not readers of the BBC.

The BBC mindset is what i'm on about.

I love though how you're all for criticising 'Murdoch-like papers' above as sensationalist, but seem to quite like the BBC which is as sensationalist as you can possibly get. Remember the Libya coverage? The Syria propaganda? The coverage we've heard all week of Mandela?

arent you middle class dan or does pointing out that someone is upper middle class mean you can pretend youre familiar with working class life!
apologies if youre not though. im going by a thread from years ago so my memory might be hazy.

What I mean by that is the mindset. I'll give you an example. I have a friend who lives in London, and whenever I comment on immigration he replies "it's not that bad, I live in London" - to which I reply yes, you live in a rich area of London that's inhabited by the upper middle class (known as the Islington elite) who are totally out of touch with the rest of the country and who only experience mass immigration when they have a day out at Hackey market.

They're not the ones who's kids have to compete with migrants for low paid jobs, they're not the ones who face the crime and disorder that arises from mass immigration, they're not the ones who have to wait behind migrants on council house lists, they're not the ones waiting on the long hospital lists because of migrants. Etc.

In other words, they live in a bubble like the political class - the Westminster Bubble.

[Inseriousity.]

Well I say that and I live in Middlesbrough, one of the most economically deprived areas in the country where the only league tables it's near the top are for unemployment, child poverty, alcohol-related illnesses etc. Competing for low skill jobs? What jobs?!! haha. That's more of a working class reality where I live!

Just seems a bit simplistic, one cliche of middle class life is that they're all left wing luvvies out of touch with the real world and the other cliche is that they're the daily mail readers right wingers who moan and moan about the country going to the dogs who look their noses down at those beneath them in the social ladder. It's a shame you resorted to such a simplistic attack!

As for the topic itself, who actually gets them lol

[AgnesIO]

I had and have no idea of the Australian and instead was pointing out the poll. I sometimes post poll articles from the Guardian which is a paper that gives a platform to terrorists and child fiddlers, why does nobody criticise the Guardian I wonder?

Let's face it - your just using the 'OMG MURDOCH PAPA' to discredit any paper or news source that isn't the 'Independent', the Guardian, the Observer or the BBC. If you think i'm going to post from one of those rags then you're very much mistaken. No, the Telegraph and some Mail articles do me fine thank you very much.

And the rest of the country agree according to the circulation figures.



Well, partly - but to first leave the EU the Conservative Party must be destroyed/split open.

That to me is main point in UKIP.



Well at least Farage has had a job in the real world unlike Cameron, Miliband and Clegg who have spent their whole lives working in politics. Farage left the real world to fight for a cause he believed in, the others just went straight into running the country without any experience of business or work in general.



Farage has a reputation for loving his drink, hence why he got ran over when he was young because he was drunk (walking home). The others don't. Of course it's all partially PR, but the difference is that at least you can imagine Farage being normal down at the pub whereas you just can't imagine the others - who are very stiff and rigid - being a normal bloke down the pub.

In very much the same way that noboby could have imagined Attlee as the kind of loud mouthed leader that Churchill was - hence why Attlee didn't try to imitate somebody he couldn't. Or for another comparison: Thatcher compared with Major. People buy Farage as a man down the pub because he just has that personality. People don't buy the other three as that because they're not and are just being put up to it by their PR agents. It's simply not belivable.

Anyway I don't have any idea why any of this matters, surely policy is what matters?



The BBC mindset is what i'm on about.

I love though how you're all for criticising 'Murdoch-like papers' above as sensationalist, but seem to quite like the BBC which is as sensationalist as you can possibly get. Remember the Libya coverage? The Syria propaganda? The coverage we've heard all week of Mandela?



What I mean by that is the mindset. I'll give you an example. I have a friend who lives in London, and whenever I comment on immigration he replies "it's not that bad, I live in London" - to which I reply yes, you live in a rich area of London that's inhabited by the upper middle class (known as the Islington elite) who are totally out of touch with the rest of the country and who only experience mass immigration when they have a day out at Hackey market.

They're not the ones who's kids have to compete with migrants for low paid jobs, they're not the ones who face the crime and disorder that arises from mass immigration, they're not the ones who have to wait behind migrants on council house lists, they're not the ones waiting on the long hospital lists because of migrants. Etc.

In other words, they live in a bubble like the political class - the Westminster Bubble.

I should point out whilst I am a Telegraph reader, I am yet to read the Guardian. Furthermore, I don't think I've ever read the Observer. But nice assumptions. The Daily Mail? Worst paper in Britain after the Sun and Daily Star.

Nigel Farage does it for PR just like the others, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. I would hardly call someone who worked as a stock broker and went to public school a standard bloke in Britain, so he really hasn't had a different life than many Politicians.

Also, we all know you despise the BBC - however it is a trusted news source across the country, that doesn't have constant articles telling us how "30m Eastern Europeans are going to be coming in 2014"...

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