Is comitting suicide a selfish act?

[AgnesIO]

i have no interest in debating with u, *REMOVED*

i established tht in my 1st post but u kept saying more stupid/sick stuff sooooo this has nothing to do with my intelligence but im most likely smarter than u anyway

Why are you in the debates forum then! The entire point is to debate, the fact you're two soft to handle a widely argued point is your problem.

Oh, and I highly doubt that

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Why are you in the debates forum then! The entire point is to debate, the fact you're two soft to handle a widely argued point is your problem.

Oh, and I highly doubt that

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i dont doubt it for a second anymore

[AgnesIO]

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i dont doubt it for a second anymore

Aha, the joys of swipe keyboard on Android. Not that a miss-swipe means much when talking to someone "hu tlks lyk dis".. :L

[Wengles]

Someones repped me for having a 'disgusting opinion', which I'm not sure whether that says more about you than it does me. I've had this debate several hundred times.

I've looked at this from thousands of different opinions, I can't see how it can't be considered selfish. But it begs the question from me whether you think that being selfish is always a 'disgusting' thing to do. I for one don't think it is.

But every excuse for suicide that I've seen is always from the position of the person considering suicide. By it's very definition it is about ones self. And ones life and the emotional guilt someone else will have if they're considering themselves as a burden.

[AgnesIO]

Someones repped me for having a 'disgusting opinion', which I'm not sure whether that says more about you than it does me. I've had this debate several hundred times.

I've looked at this from thousands of different opinions, I can't see how it can't be considered selfish. But it begs the question from me whether you think that being selfish is always a 'disgusting' thing to do. I for one don't think it is.

But every excuse for suicide that I've seen is always from the position of the person considering suicide. By it's very definition it is about ones self. And ones life and the emotional guilt someone else will have if they're considering themselves as a burden.

That will have been either subo or lemons - neither have the guts to leave their names lol

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I'm evil and terrible. Fantastic!

No, I am pointing out that for me killing yourself is wrong, when so many people don't even get the choice. Therefore, I consider suicide a selfish act; and part of my viewpoint is the thing about trains Nobody is forcing you to respond, either.

The original post that started this debate brought up the thing about trains; and the post also points out that it is a big debate.

the people who want to kill themselves obviously have a horrible life and why should they be forced to live through it just because someone else is going to die? maybe the person with the terminal illness had a much better upbringing and outlook on life than the suicidal person. maybe the person is commiting suicide because of a mental illness, or cause they've been raped/abused etc, I really don't think it's fair to say "someone with cancer is dying, u shouldn't be as selfish to kill yourself" when they have legitimate reason to.

pulling yourself out of depression and mental illness is a seriously difficult thing to do and most people don't or never fully do. getting rid of the pain once and for all sometimes seems the only choice because u don't see it ever getting better. only a lucky few gain the resources and support to pull through but when you're in the position of the suicidal person, it is very hard for yourself or someone else to convince you otherwise. you have to constantly pull yourself back up and generally need some level of support to do so, not something everyone has. i rly don't think anyone who hasn't been in that situation can understand. i remember hearing about depression when i was young and never connected with the whole 'u think it won't get better' thing until i went through it, to me it was just empty words i didnt take seriously and would say the same as everyone else "it always gets better!!11" "oh it's not that bad you're not kids in africa!!11". it is a v.v.v. difficult thing to go through and even harder to beat, i commend anyone who does but also feel sympathy for those who do resort to suicide but yea i don't think someone can know unless they've been there

[AgnesIO]

the people who want to kill themselves obviously have a horrible life and why should they be forced to live through it just because someone else is going to die? maybe the person with the terminal illness had a much better upbringing and outlook on life than the suicidal person. maybe the person is commiting suicide because of a mental illness, or cause they've been raped/abused etc, I really don't think it's fair to say "someone with cancer is dying, u shouldn't be as selfish to kill yourself" when they have legitimate reason to.

This is a fair argument; although I still don't believe in killing oneself (if someone does with a mental illness, I would first question whether the system could have done more to help them). However, I would then still question whether why that person should then go and potentially ruin someone else's life (ie. the train driver) - that to me, would be a selfish decision (if we are going by the exact definition of selfish). I don't necessarily think suicide in itself is a selfish act, although I don't think it should ever be the answer (and if the suicidal person thinks it is, I believe someone has failed in their job somewhere - at least in many cases)

pulling yourself out of depression and mental illness is a seriously difficult thing to do and most people don't or never fully do. getting rid of the pain once and for all sometimes seems the only choice because u don't see it ever getting better. only a lucky few gain the resources and support to pull through but when you're in the position of the suicidal person, it is very hard for yourself or someone else to convince you otherwise. you have to constantly pull yourself back up and generally need some level of support to do so, not something everyone has. i rly don't think anyone who hasn't been in that situation can understand. i remember hearing about depression when i was young and never connected with the whole 'u think it won't get better' thing until i went through it, to me it was just empty words i didnt take seriously and would say the same as everyone else "it always gets better!!11" "oh it's not that bad you're not kids in africa!!11". it is a v.v.v. difficult thing to go through and even harder to beat, i commend anyone who does but also feel sympathy for those who do resort to suicide but yea i don't think someone can know unless they've been there

I guess the only main comment here would be the debate question is something that is commonly put across, and in this instance is on an internet forum; therefore it will simply always be the case that the majority of the forum have never had depression/any other reason to kill themselves, and I think there has only been one(?) suicide on this forum (the kid who got loans, payments built up etc) - although I think that simply showed the serious flaws in pay day loan companies.

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someone committing suicide must have it REAL bad (or be v. impulsive) cause it's not easy to think ok I'm going to jump infront of this train or jump off this cliff and never see anyone again or have a family/career etc i don't think that's any easy decision. I've been through plenty and thought about committing suicide literally every waking second for 3 years (I get relapses but generally my mood is stable now) but never done it (just too scared thankfully) so i have sympathy with someone who does think its SO bad it's the only way. system can't always help u bc that means WANTING help + often depression means u can't even get out of bed to go to doctor or if u do ur too worried to tell them, think they're going to think ur weird or something. plus the system can't always tell if you're depressed, ud be surprised at how many people u know who have or have had depression n u never knew. even ur closest family. hence the 'i didnt read the signs' everyone says after their death. i would say only people on here and 3 friends know bout my depression + that's been 5 years since it started

+ yh I would agree that it's unfair on a train driver or whoever is on the other side. not far from me, someone walked into the middle of the road so they could be hit n die, the driver was so traumatised she ended up doing the same thing :/ it's not fair for the people picking up the pieces (altho often they are the cause ie if they find their relations hung it could have been them who drove them to suicide so we can't always feel bad for the family w.e) but also not fair for a suicidal person to continue feeling depressed every waking moment or for them to be given no sympathy imo.

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If we really go by the dictionary terms, obviously yes it is a selfish act.... but what bothers me that people debate on this topic, and tend to harass people and blame them for being selfish. Especially the "if you wanna do it do it yourself" thing which Stephen wrote was really the most subhuman way to express an opinion.

If you have no idea about mental illnesses and how they affect a person's thinking, I would advice you to stay away from this discussion. Especially @oli; you have been proved wrong in this thread earlier so I would try my best to save myself from further embarrassment if I were you.

[AgnesIO]

If we really go by the dictionary terms, obviously yes it is a selfish act.... but what bothers me that people debate on this topic, and tend to harass people and blame them for being selfish. Especially the "if you wanna do it do it yourself" thing which Stephen wrote was really the most subhuman way to express an opinion.

If you have no idea about mental illnesses and how they affect a person's thinking, I would advice you to stay away from this discussion. Especially @oli; you have been proved wrong in this thread earlier so I would try my best to save myself from further embarrassment if I were you.

In fairness, if this idea was applied to every topic the only forum that would have more than 5* users in would be the habbo one lol

*five = exaggeration