Told you so: Number of Romanian and Bulgarian workers surges to record high

[Kardan]

I'm sorry but that isn't even what i'm arguing, your trying to point score over something that's entirely irrelevent. The point being made by the article and myself is that open borders with Romania and Bulgaria over the past decade (along with other countries) is out of control and that in such bad economic times, it's unacceptable to continue allowing such numbers to both remain and come into the United Kingdom.

It's as simple as that really. I agree with controlled borders and you don't. Why not just come out in the open and say such a thing instead of mashing up the topic into what it isn't? Again, if you have issues with how the Telegraph as presented the article then I suggest you take it up with them and not with me as i'm wanting to have a general discussion over immigration.



Well that's because I do, yet all you lot seem to be able to reply in response is 'well their working arent they' so obviously i'm going to have to respond to the economic points to such arguments, as I just did with Dragga. Nevertheless whilst the social and cultural issue is my biggest concern, that's not to say the economic issues resulting from uncontrolled immigration don't bother me or concern me because they do.

Then the article and yourself shouldn't back up your points with data that is unsuitable, you need to use immigration data, not employment data.

[FlyingJesus]

The article's about workers, unemployment, and benefits. Why on earth would anyone assume that you want to talk about the social aspects of immigration from that

[The Don]

Err what? I work for minimum wage. If some British people refuse to work due to the pay being minimum wage that's not a problem with foreigners stealing jobs, that's a problem with the attitude of those people, those who would rather claim benefits than work.

Heard on the radio loads about this this morning.

How they'll work for so little and brits are losing out on work because bosses can employ polish people to work for minimum wage!

[e5]

Err what? I work for minimum wage. If some British people refuse to work due to the pay being minimum wage that's not a problem with foreigners stealing jobs, that's a problem with the attitude of those people, those who would rather claim benefits than work.

You're not alone. I don't earn much above minimum and that wasn't my point. This what a labouring job which requires some skill, training etc and on return you receive a good wage from it. You wouldn't expect minimum wage doing that job - but these polish workers would and employers sacked the other workers to make way. They'd also work ridiculous hours too.

This is not my views but what I heard on radio 2 today

[Firehorse]

I'm fine with people coming here to work, but I disagree with them coming here to claim benefits. I can't even afford to live where I do, and I'd put that down to overpopulation.

[God]

@NativeAmericans

Basically your mad about these immigrants.

The Native Americans had to deal with "your" people

[-:Undertaker:-]

The article's about workers, unemployment, and benefits. Why on earth would anyone assume that you want to talk about the social aspects of immigration from that

Because mass immigration impacts low wage jobs. That's why.

@NativeAmericans

Basically your mad about these immigrants.

The Native Americans had to deal with "your" people

Indeed, so why would we want to repeat the mistakes of the past and destroy our own culture via mass immigration?

[FlyingJesus]

Jobs are now social rather than economic ok

[Kardan]

@-:Undertaker:-;

As I said earlier in the thread, these statistics DO NOT mean anything to do with immigration, and today ONS have released data that prove this.

This thread gave the data: 42,000 MORE Romanians and Bulgarians have been employed in the last year.

Today's data: 24,000 MORE Romanians and Bulgarians have immigrated to the UK in the last year.

As I said, more employment does not equal more immigration.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@-:Undertaker:-;

As I said earlier in the thread, these statistics DO NOT mean anything to do with immigration, and today ONS have released data that prove this.

This thread gave the data: 42,000 MORE Romanians and Bulgarians have been employed in the last year.

Today's data: 24,000 MORE Romanians and Bulgarians have immigrated to the UK in the last year.

As I said, more employment does not equal more immigration.

It is linked as naturally Romanians and Bulgarians being here employed is de facto immigration/migration.

What jobs they are doing I would like to see a breakdown, but if they are in lower wage end jobs then I see no reason why - and this is if we had a work permit scheme rather than open borders - their permits should be expired as we simply do not need foreign workers to fill in the unemployment gap in the lower wage end of the market. It's pretty simple.