Sexually frustrated shooter kills seven

[The Don]

extremely interesting insight into someone with a narcissistic personality and although it's a terrible tragedy there's a lot to learn from his videos and im assuming he was extremely self aware of this seeing as the first upload was 3/4 days ago, he had this planned

He must have been a sociopath or something. The kid clearly lacked empathy and placed no value on human life other than what they can do for him.

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I also thought a general trait of narcissism was a general lack of self-awareness?

[karter]

oh great now everyone will blame mental illness or something
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[The Don]

oh great now everyone will blame mental illness or something
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As opposed to what???

[karter]

as opposed to him being a misogynistic piece of ****? as opposed to him being a self proclaimed mra who thought he's entitled to a woman's body?? hasty generalization of mass murderers and rapists as mentally ill perpetuates the idea that mentally ill people are hostile, violent. it makes criminals less accountable for what they do

and lack of empathy does not imply a mental disorder or whatever, this is ableism and this is offensive

[OldLoveSong]

yet he still died a virgin

he seems to have had extreme narcissism. Most narcissists have inflated egos, show no empathy, and can become violent when their unrealistic expectations aren't met.he seems to have had extreme narcissism. Most narcissists have inflated egos, show no empathy, and can become violent when their unrealistic expectations aren't met.

[The Don]

as opposed to him being a misogynistic piece of ****? as opposed to him being a self proclaimed mra who thought he's entitled to a woman's body?? hasty generalization of mass murderers and rapists as mentally ill perpetuates the idea that mentally ill people are hostile, violent. it makes criminals less accountable for what they do

and lack of empathy does not imply a mental disorder or whatever, this is ableism and this is offensive

His parents have said that he had a mental disorder /end of discussion

Being misogynistic is one thing, but going out and shooting up random people as some sort of 'retribution' is not something a sane person would do. If you actually watched his videos and still think he hasn't got some sort of disorder (even though his parents have already said he has...) then I really can't be bothered to continue this discussion, it feels as though you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

And onto your point about a lack of empathy, no it doesn't necessarily imply somebody has a disorder because they have a lack of empathy but it is one of the defining characteristics of aspd (sociopathy).

[karter]

If all mass murderers were regarded as mentally insane they wouldn't be in jail but a mental institution. Again, ableist and again an assumption that whoever is extremely violent must be mentally ill. If this is the criteria then why aren't international terrorists called mentally ill?

If you actually watched his videos and still think he hasn't got some sort of disorder

while the video is well disturbing, I really don't know how one can just go ahead and assume that he had some 'disorder'. I didn't know about what his parents said, so I agree there's nothing to discuss here unless it has been proven but mental disorders are not the end explanation of all violent behaviour

[The Don]

If all mass murderers were regarded as mentally insane they wouldn't be in jail but a mental institution. Again, ableist and again an assumption that whoever is extremely violent must be mentally ill.

Thanks for putting words into my mouth. Where did I say all mass murders are mentally insane? Not all mass murderers are mentally ill, you seem to keep overlooking context, and in this particular case the killer has uploaded multiple videos of himself rambling on in a deluded state. I think there’s a difference between somebody doing something for an ideological reason or targeting specific people for a reason, in this instance however it’s completely aimless. Christopher Dorner is an example of another shooting spree killer that I don’t think had a mental illness. This guy however went and targeted random people as ‘retribution’ for essentially not having had sex.

If this is the criteria then why aren't international terrorists called mentally ill?

That would fall under ideological reasons, would it not?

while the video is well disturbing, I really don't know how one can just go ahead and assume that he had some 'disorder'. I didn't know about what his parents said, so I agree there's nothing to discuss here unless it has been proven but mental disorders are not the end explanation of all violent behaviour

If you didn’t think something was off from his ramblings then fair enough, but to me it doesn’t seem like something a healthy individual would do. Definitely a red flag in my books.

[wixard]

karter nobody is blaming mental illness, obviously everyone with a mental disorder isn't gonna go shoot up a sorority house, this one guy just happened to do it, just like someone without a mental illness is also capable of doing it. it's evident from his videos he's not well be it a dramatised act or not. the problem here was potentially his illness being overlooked leading this to happen, although im thinking it was something nobody could have prevented regardless

its easy for people to label a killer as mentally unwell, it makes them feel better to think that way and that's so wrong I agree, but in this case there are videos that have been made and out out for public viewing where it's only right to presume he wasn't well


im so hungover I dunno if I even made sense CBA to read back

[wixard]

so i've had a chance to read into it as i was busy all day yesterday and only briefly saw a few of the videos. i've watched most f them, read some of his manifesto and saw the cached pages from bodybuilding forum. jesus christ.

it actually makes me feel sick to my stomach that people are walking around this earth with the same mindset as him. heard that he killed 3 people in his apartment too. anyway, he was seeing a therapist and given medication which he refused to take, his videos were posted around on reddit and the bodybuilding forum i'd assume he had at least a few subscribers, i'd love to know if anyone saw the retribution video he posted before he went on the rampage.