The shop and tokens.

[scottish]

Any updates?

[Phil]

Addind something new to the shop soon and hope to have the icons added then too

[scottish]

I forgot what else was discussed in the thread but what about;

Categories?
Credits?
Lottery?
Regarding the change of tokens?

[scottish]

Right to follow this up again;

I'll quote in the parts that's back and forward as this thread was all over the place due to Christmas being in the center of it.

Put my comments in red as there's loads of text

Categories

First things first, the shop. I'm sure you're able to create cataogires (so it would show under different headings on the shop) this should be put to use. So for example tab 1 could be 'VIP', tab 2 'Habbo', etc.

under each section would have the appropriate items, rather than having everything under the one heading 'Shop'

I'm sure this can be done but is there much point in doing this until there is more stuff in the shop?

Yes, it should have been done when you first released the shop (not you, but whoever was manager at the time)

Okay

From what I can see, nothing has been done to introduce new categories?





Items for Shop

Within the shop, there's currently 3 things you can buy, credits, VIP or a name change.. there really needs to be more in my opinion.

Some that I've seen elsewhere have been;

Username/VIP Colour
- Add the option of changing your VIP/Username colour (so for example if I have a year of VIP Dodger Blue I can change it to VIP Black)
- I know this is currently done for free depending on the situation, but could be told to refer to shop in future and have to earn tokens to do it.
- Would obviously be a one-off purchase

Usertitle Colour
- Would change your current usertitle to a list of pre-defined colours or you could enter a hex/rgb.
- This would obviously be more for non VIP's, as VIP's have access to the HTML usertitles via the request thread
- Not sure on the time span, if it should just be a 'buy now and have forever' kinda thing or monthly.

Usertitle Change
- Would allow you to change your usertitle to a non HTML message
- This would obviously be more for non VIP/Donators (correct me if I'm wrong, donators can change their usertitle via options, just no HTML?)
- Again, not sure if it should be a one off purchase or monthly.

Avatar Size Change
- Would allow you to purchase larger avatars
- Obviously the size would be pre-defined and wouldn't be something stupid.
- One-off purchase.

Signature Size Change
- Would allow you to purchase larger signature sizes
- Obviously the size would be pre-defined and wouldn't be something stupid.
- One-off purchase.

Agreed that we need more but the only thing of your list that can really be added is the Username Colour. As you all know I'm always open to suggestions for things that we can put into the shop, would love to have it packed of stuff but only so much is possible.

Every one of them can be added Open a thread with suggestions for a week or so and see what others can think of too, but I see no reason why they all can't be added?

Usertitle Colour, Usertitle Change, Avatar/Sig Size limit would:

Take away from value of VIP/Donator
They can buy these features by buying VIP/Donator in Shop anyway
Incredibly difficult to Moderate

It wouldn't as it would be larger than VIP limit, could you limit it so only VIP's can purchase something?

Nor would it be difficult to moderate for reasons I've stated in this thread.

Again, updates? Is anything there going to be added, is anything in general going to be added? are you going to open suggestions for new items or anything to get ideas (such as liaising with competitions to maybe get a competition regarding suggestions for it, damn i'm too good)






Credits

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you can't afford to give out credits don't just have them sitting in there for the looks.

It's become obvious you can't keep up with the demand of credits if you're removing the Sack from sale as well.

If you have the funds to support the shop then have a monthly sale when people will know that there's going to be a stock of gold bars and sacks to purchase, otherwise remove them.

Not my forté as Ihave nothing to do with those but I don't think they should be removed. There just needs to be a way to keep them in the shop. Hopefully whatever the new lotto thing is will help with that. Perhaps the Credits could be more expensive too?

No, 5000 tokens is approx 500 threads or 1,000 posts. Making it cost more would just make it stupidly expensive for what it is, it should also take VIP into consideration regarding price (i.e. if VIP can be sold for 30c and it costs 2,333 tokens (3 months = 7000), then 50c being 5,000 tokens is a sensible price imho)

Okay

How profitable is the lottery? Is it profitable enough to keep up a stable income of credits to support this as well? or are we better off just removing those from the shop and just leaving the 5/10 credits there?

@Shonly;






Lotto/Raffle

- I believe vBShop comes with a built in lottery feature? So it would probably be easier to do a lottery than a raffle, but both would be good and something that's actually making tokens useful.
- I don't think I need to explain lottery, but basically every week (or month) there would be a lottery draw, the draw prize could be the tokens from every single ticket add 10% or something, or just all tokens from the tickets.

I was thinking of doing this but manually. If there's actually a way in vb to do that it can be considered. I don't want to take lime lgiht away from the other lotto though (is there even one idk what's going on with that tbqh)

vBShop has the functionality on the lite version (which you have) judging by their website.

Okay

Anything? is this going ahead, if no why not?







Icons

Add icons for everything, ALWAYS.

For name change you could have a gif (if possible) of a name changing, or just have old name above arrow new name or something, be creative. Donator/VIP 3 month needs tokens too.

Agreed. I'll request some and see what the Graphics Department comes up with.

Please make them transparent too

Okay

Anything?








Trading

Is this possible with your version of vBShop or only the Pro version? I'm sure one allowed you to trade points with other members. Would it be possible to enable this if it is on your version, if not explain why so I can counter it

Why?

So people/staff can do competitions that dont require GM approval to give away tokens or whatever, and it doesn't end in an Undertaker situation where he gave away like 20k tokens but didn't actually give any away

Okay fair suggestion and fyi he did get them taken away.

Any news on this? is it going to be enabled?





Amount of tokens

I'm not sure if it's just me that sees the amount of tokens given out awfully low? in terms of major events and other stuff.

Firstly, why doesn't competitions give our tokens? They seem to mostly give out weeks/months of VIP, rep and credits.

Do events/HxHD/HxL etc actively give out tokens? if no why not. It's something that would make people actually realize their existence and possibly even start trying to get them.

I've already suggested to @Phil; for the forum to start using tokens for the weekly Posting stats for top 5 users (whether it's implemented or not is another question)

Adding on from that, I think the tokens given out should be substantially increased, I can't give an actual average as the only place I've seen tokens given out was the HxL Karaoke, but based on it being a quite large event (in the sense it's over weeks (i'd imagine I've not actually looked) rather than something that's done with and dusted within an hour), top place got 100 tokens, second 75 tokens and third 50.

That's essentially 20 1 word reply posts worth of tokens (or 10 on happy hour) for winning a somewhat large event. It's stupid low don't you think?

I predict the following:

Not enough Tokes given out > Complain > More tokens are given as prizes > People win larger amount of tokens > Buy VIP in the Shop > Too much VIP given out/too easy to get > Complain

The way I see it is VIP is already given out WAY too easily (wasn't there like 30 months of VIP given out per month?) so I don't think the VIP in the shop will ever be an issue compared to the VIP given out by other means.

But it would still cause an influx in the amount of VIP being around.

Well as I suggest, don't give away VIP give a % of the tokens for the VIP.

So instead of giving away 1 week VIP, give like 500-585 tokens (7000 = 3 month, 2333 per month, 583 per week judging by the current shop prices, so maybe give just a little less like 550)

I kinda like the idea about the give token % of VIP away but I'm not sure how other managers, staff, Matthew and members of the community would feel about that.

Anything? Have you spoken to other managers, GMs, etc and seen what they thought of the idea?

[Sho]

the lotto alone isn't enough to fund it, no. we get approx 150c per month out of the lotto (that's after taking the 100c prize out) and most of that will go to the managers who have sold tickets since they keep 50%, the rest will definitely not be enough to fund it.

[Kyle]

Why is lotto said to be "sold out" can you not just add more numbers lol seems a bit thick to cut off funding


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[Empired]

Why is lotto said to be "sold out" can you not just add more numbers lol seems a bit thick to cut off funding


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no because the numbers you can roll on a dice only range from 111 to 666 surely?

but seeing as habbo doesn't exactly approve why don't we start doing it on the forum anyway and use a random number generator rather than holodice. that means we wouldn't be restricted to 3-digits numbers only using 1 through 6

[Lewis]

no because the numbers you can roll on a dice only range from 111 to 666 surely?

but seeing as habbo doesn't exactly approve why don't we start doing it on the forum anyway and use a random number generator rather than holodice. that means we wouldn't be restricted to 3-digits numbers only using 1 through 6

there are many different methods than the use of dice -- for example the colour wheel (not the wheel of fortune, but that too I guess) and many other things. Plus the use of a random number generator could work, but might bring a lot more distrust among the newer members paying for a ticket.

[Empired]

there are many different methods than the use of dice -- for example the colour wheel (not the wheel of fortune, but that too I guess) and many other things. Plus the use of a random number generator could work, but might bring a lot more distrust among the newer members paying for a ticket.

Are new users seriously going to be going in for the whole "hey why don't you donate 1c and we'll enter you into our lottery " thing anyway? No new user will want to "donate" to someone else.

[scottish]

habbo is live so you can see the numbers as it's rolled

where as if its someone random generating a number they can do it several times and can easily cheat etc