Organ Donation - Yes or No?

[scottish]

There's an incredibly long waiting list for organs due to people receiving them but not giving them in return. Introducing either a opt-out system or giving priority to donors will greatly increase the amount of organs donated and will lower the number of people dying before they were able to receive a transplant.

No it wouldn't, it would just mean that those who are dying are people who opted not to give organs and the people who are living are those who opted to give organs.

[The Don]

No it wouldn't, it would just mean that those who are dying are people who opted not to give organs and the people who are living are those who opted to give organs.

You are wrong as it would increase donor numbers as more people would opt in. More people as donors = more people receiving organs = less people dying before they receive their transplants.

[scottish]

You are wrong as it would increase donor numbers as more people would opt in. More people as donors = more people receiving organs = less people dying before they receive their transplants.

Says who? do you have statistics on the number of people who would opt in to take advantage of this? no.

If you argue so hard against using speculation in other debates then don't come into this one and speculate something like that, unless you have something to back it up you have nothing but a theory.

Most people probably become organ donors due to driving license these days anyway.

also, on the topic if you were to be hospitalized today would you say "no give the organ to the guy next to me, I'm not on the donation list yet"? I'm sure as hell you wouldn't.

[The Don]

Says who? do you have statistics on the number of people who would opt in to take advantage of this? no.

If you argue so hard against using speculation in other debates then don't come into this one and speculate something like that, unless you have something to back it up you have nothing but a theory.

also, on the topic if you were to be hospitalized today would you say "no give the organ to the guy next to me, I'm not on the donation list yet"? I'm sure as hell you wouldn't.

http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and...organ-donation
http://www.nhsbt.nhs.uk/to2020/resou...e1streport.pdf

For most of the 2000s, Israel’s hovered around 45 percent—among the lowest in the developed world.
Today, however, Israel’s consent rates have jumped, to 56 percent in 2013

http://freakonomics.com/2011/08/23/p...n-donor-games/
I don't make baseless posts, I actually research things before I enter into the debate as opposed to your favoured method of insulting and swearing at people I disagree with. Not posting links doesn't automatically make something an assumption.

You can look at the statistics for yourself, countries with opt-out systems (which I mentioned in my post and would be preferable to the one you've decided to comment on) have way better statistics than countries with opt-ins. Israel's donation rates jumped after implementing a priority system. Common sense also suggests it would increase.

Most people probably become organ donors due to driving license these days anyway.

The irony of you telling me off for "making assumptions" and doing so in the same breath. The UK has about 21 million people on the NHS donors list, so not most by a long shot.
Here's a source before you write my post off for not having one.

[buttons]

guys if u want to be an organ donor, do you only want your organs to go to someone who would donate theirs? the point is to save a life, not to pick and choose who gets it. being an organ donator doesn't mean you deserve to live and vice versa. im sure you'd all agree that a woman has a right to abort a baby but people can't accept that people have the right to choose what happens to their body after death.

its is exactly what I said in my other thread, you all have some sort of inability to see your view isn't the only one and are so intolerant of other people beliefs.

[The Don]

guys if u want to be an organ donor, do you only want your organs to go to someone who would donate theirs? the point is to save a life, not to pick and choose who gets it. being an organ donator doesn't mean you deserve to live and vice versa. im sure you'd all agree that a woman has a right to abort a baby but people can't accept that people have the right to choose what happens to their body after death.

I'm not saying people not on the list should be refused.

its is exactly what I said in my other thread, you all have some sort of inability to see your view isn't the only one and are so intolerant of other people beliefs.

What, where have I or anyone said that someones opinion is wrong? I called scott wrong when he argued something factual. This is a debate thread so obviously everyone is going to be challenging each others views... Surely the only person being intolerant here is Scott for swearing at people he disagrees with.

[buttons]

I'm not saying people not on the list should be refused.


What, where have I or anyone said that someones opinion is wrong? I called scott wrong when he argued something factual. This is a debate thread so obviously everyone is going to be challenging each others views... Surely the only person being intolerant here Scott for swearing at people when he disagrees with them.

to your first point, it has been said in this thread.
your second point i made no mention of names, i said all, which would include scott. but if u haven't noticed, you and other people said "I don't know why anyone wouldn't, you're dead it doesn't matter" despite the fact some of us have given our reasons but u chose to ignore them, erasing how we feel cause you personally don't understand it.

[The Don]

to your first point, it has been said in this thread.
your second point i made no mention of names, i said all, which would include scott. but if u haven't noticed, you and other people said "I don't know why anyone wouldn't, you're dead it doesn't matter" despite the fact some of us have given our reasons but u chose to ignore them, erasing how we feel cause you personally don't understand it.

Not understanding something isn't the same as not tolerating it. I accept that you don't want to for whatever reason but I myself cannot understand it. If i quoted you and attacked your reasons then fair enough, but posting that I don't understand something is being intolerant, really?

[scottish]

Not understanding something isn't the same as not tolerating it. I accept that you don't want to for whatever reason but I myself cannot understand it. If i quoted you and attacked your reasons then fair enough, but posting that I don't understand something is being intolerant, really?

You just proved the point you read absolutely nothing before jumping into a thread lol.

She's quite clearly stated she IS an organ donor.

[The Don]

You just proved the point you read absolutely nothing before jumping into a thread lol.

She's quite clearly stated she IS an organ donor.

Pardon? Read her post and my post back, then apologise.