Those who support or lean towards the Labour Party, why?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Although it doesn't apply to myself, it certainly applies to areas like mine and many areas of the country: that Labour are voted in purely because of hatred of the Conservative Party along with the fact that their flat-capped grandfather used to vote for them. That's it.

The Labour Party used to be an admirable organisation with legit aims, but now it's run by an Islington elite who are so far removed from their voters that it'll only take a competent rival to completely knock them off their feet: we're already seeing it in Scotland with the SNP set to wipe out Labour in seats they've held since the 1950s and my guess is that if we have a Labour government (hopefully) we'll see the same happen in northern England before 2020.

I used to think the Tory Party was the weaker and most decayed of the two dying parties but now I am not so sure.

[Kyle]

Nice witch hunt u got going here lads top notch

I vote labour because I support eu membership and international development above blind patriotism. We live in a global society and Britain must play its part.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nice witch hunt u got going here lads top notch

I vote labour because I support eu membership and international development above blind patriotism. We live in a global society and Britain must play its part.

Given Labour doubled spending under the last government (which was unaffordable), how do you think a future bankrupt state will play its part then?

Edit: I'm not having a go at people and I won't post again just I don't get why people don't think there's consequences for actions?? :S

[Kardan]

I genuinely detest anyone (not aimed at you Akeam) who is just voting so they can stop X party getting in.

You should vote the party whose policies and MPs you support, not one which you're only going to use tactically IMO

You shouldn't blame the people that are voting like that, but blame the way this country elects MPs.

[MKR&*42]

You shouldn't blame the people that are voting like that, but blame the way this country elects MPs.

I agree the voting system is a terrible one also

I can't understand why so many people rejected the AV referendum a few years ago. It seems more fair than the current system.

[Inseriousity.]

If I lived anywhere else, I probably would vote for them. I don't agree with everything. Unfortunately, my area is a safe Labour area and they've got way too complacent and lazy. Democracy only works if there's competition so I need to choose someone else. Problem is don't have a clue.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@Kardan; @Intersocial;

FPTP has problems but to replace it with a proportional system means you get even worse: you then have a situation where a party can be voted out of office yet remains in the government as it becomes part of a rainbow coalition. Also, tactical voting still operates under AV and PR so that is a dud point anyway.

I don't understand why people keep talking about reforming everything OTHER THAN the two main political parties. It is they who are the problem, stop voting for them. Worth remembering also, FPTP also works in your favour at a certain point when voting for a new rising party. Just look at the seat projections for the SNP.

So it can be done. Stop blaming the system and take some responsibility at election time.

[Firehorse]

Just to keep some impartiality in this thread, let me give you an argument which contradicts the views of those who are pro-Labour.

I personally believe the people who vote for Labour are often quite naïve in matters of politics. A party is best judged over previous performance, not the things they promise you as an election approaches; Labour have a horrific track record following their last time in government. If it wasn't for the conservatives, Labour would have driven us into bankruptcy by now and we'd be in a situation more similar to that of Portugal.

The main 3 parties are all disconnected from the general public more than ever, but I feel Labour are by far the worst of them all.

You really need to take a step back and think about what incentivises these parties, NOT just believe the things they like to tell you.

For the Tories it's about making money, not just for society as a whole but also for the big business that fund their party. Sure a lot of people see this as unfair, but in the end everyone ends up better off because wealth is created and spread among the population through jobs. I personally think the wealth could be more evenly distributed, but I don't think the situation is as dire as it could be.

For Labour, it's a socialist ideal they have, so the generation of wealth isn't what's driving them (in fact they quite like spending what we don't have); they have to have another incentive. So what is their incentive? It's thirst for power. Think about it, they bribe people for their vote by promising them more money, literally. They are the party that loves to pay benefits, and it's not for your benefit, it's for theirs. If you rely on benefits then it means you are staying at the level they want you. They love people being reliant on their hand-outs because they see it as Labour loyalty.

Labour doesn't have the incentive to help you earn more and improve because those that earn more are less likely to vote for them. What amazes me is how many people fail to see this. This continues too with their other policies; they opened the door to mass immigration knowing that large numbers of low earners able to migrate to the UK would be more likely to vote for a socialist party, effectively importing Labour voters.

Also note that before Labour introduced their mass immigration policy we didn't even need a minimum wage because the supply of workers was low enough for employers to have to offer reasonable wages. The large over-supply of workers caused by Labour means that not only is the minimum wage now absolutely necessary as a consequence of Labour's open door policy, it's also the "normal wage" offered by employers for unskilled work across the board. This wage depression is a deliberate consequence of Labour's policies, designed to make a large proportion of the population earn less than they otherwise would be able to, and therefore more reliant on government subsidies. It also has the effect of reducing living standards for all but the very richest, making people feel hard-done by.
The unions also benefit from this as they end up holding more power.

As a plan it's absolutely ingenious! Ingenious that they can get away with it all while continuing to blame the Conservatives for the problems they caused themselves! Despicable really.

It should also be mentioned how much hypocrisy goes on in the Labour party; they say ONLY what they believe will get them votes. They promise to get rid of zero hour contracts whilst employing 22,000 people on zero hour contracts themselves! You couldn't make it up!

Because it's not the conservatives, and it's not run by Nick Clegg and voting for the other parties is a waste of time?

I'm voting for Labour because I don't want the conservatives to get in.

I vote labour because I support eu membership and international development above blind patriotism. We live in a global society and Britain must play its part.

As quoted, the arguments supporting a Labour vote really are quite pathetic and superficial.

[The Don]

Just to keep some impartiality in this thread, let me give you an argument which contradicts the views of those who are pro-Labour.

I personally believe the people who vote for Labour are often quite naïve in matters of politics. A party is best judged over previous performance, not the things they promise you as an election approaches; Labour have a horrific track record following their last time in government. If it wasn't for the conservatives, Labour would have driven us into bankruptcy by now and we'd be in a situation more similar to that of Portugal.

The main 3 parties are all disconnected from the general public more than ever, but I feel Labour are by far the worst of them all.

You really need to take a step back and think about what incentivises these parties, NOT just believe the things they like to tell you.

For the Tories it's about making money, not just for society as a whole but also for the big business that fund their party. Sure a lot of people see this as unfair, but in the end everyone ends up better off because wealth is created and spread among the population through jobs. I personally think the wealth could be more evenly distributed, but I don't think the situation is as dire as it could be.

For Labour, it's a socialist ideal they have, so the generation of wealth isn't what's driving them (in fact they quite like spending what we don't have); they have to have another incentive. So what is their incentive? It's thirst for power. Think about it, they bribe people for their vote by promising them more money, literally. They are the party that loves to pay benefits, and it's not for your benefit, it's for theirs. If you rely on benefits then it means you are staying at the level they want you. They love people being reliant on their hand-outs because they see it as Labour loyalty.

Labour doesn't have the incentive to help you earn more and improve because those that earn more are less likely to vote for them. What amazes me is how many people fail to see this. This continues too with their other policies; they opened the door to mass immigration knowing that large numbers of low earners able to migrate to the UK would be more likely to vote for a socialist party, effectively importing Labour voters.

Also note that before Labour introduced their mass immigration policy we didn't even need a minimum wage because the supply of workers was low enough for employers to have to offer reasonable wages. The large over-supply of workers caused by Labour means that not only is the minimum wage now absolutely necessary as a consequence of Labour's open door policy, it's also the "normal wage" offered by employers for unskilled work across the board. This wage depression is a deliberate consequence of Labour's policies, designed to make a large proportion of the population earn less than they otherwise would be able to, and therefore more reliant on government subsidies. It also has the effect of reducing living standards for all but the very richest, making people feel hard-done by.
The unions also benefit from this as they end up holding more power.

As a plan it's absolutely ingenious! Ingenious that they can get away with it all while continuing to blame the Conservatives for the problems they caused themselves! Despicable really.

It should also be mentioned how much hypocrisy goes on in the Labour party; they say ONLY what they believe will get them votes. They promise to get rid of zero hour contracts whilst employing 22,000 people on zero hour contracts themselves! You couldn't make it up!





As quoted, the arguments supporting a Labour vote really are quite pathetic and superficial.

Sorry for exercising my right to vote, douche.

Edit: Just wanted to add, what a ridiculously arrogant and self-righteous attitude you have. I don't want the conservatives to get in because I quite like being in the EU and they want to have a referendum on that. Labour are pro-europe. And people voted Lib Dems because of their policies, not to stop labour from getting in so your example of 'political idiocy' is completely wrong.

All a bit rich considering you're a UKIP voter iirc, a party whose mantra consists almost entirely of "bloody immigrants" and "the EU did it!!".

[-:Undertaker:-]

All a bit rich considering you're a UKIP voter iirc, a party whose mantra consists almost entirely of "bloody immigrants" and "the EU did it!!".

A better mantra than your lot who just repeat "Without [insert immigrants or EU] the country would collapse and we'd lose 3m jerbs!!!" and "racists!!!!".