Those who support or lean towards the Labour Party, why?

[The Don]

A better mantra than your lot who just repeat "Without [insert immigrants or EU] the country would collapse and we'd lose 3m jerbs!!!" and "racists!!!!".

No because labour has actual policies and isn't just a single-issue party like UKIP.

[Firehorse]

All a bit rich considering you're a UKIP voter iirc, a party whose mantra consists almost entirely of "bloody immigrants" and "the EU did it!!".

Quite the assumption. You don't know how I vote, I may be opinionated (heavily so against Labour) but I'm actually an undecided voter. More likely to vote Conservative whether or not you choose to believe that.

But I like your attempt at slander; your lack of ability to provide a counter argument further serves to prove the lack of substance in your reasoning. Your obstinate inclination towards the Labour party with almost no reasoning whatsoever except for not wanting a Conservative government (without reason as to why other than wishing citizens to not have a say on their own futures) really illustrates how stubborn you, like a lot of people, are, voting because of a socialist ideal without realising they're actually shooting themselves in the foot.

... A bit rich considering you're a Labour voter, a party whose mantra consists almost entirely of "vote for us and we'll give you free money" and "we'll spend more on X, Y and Z [of the money we don't actually have]". Oh, and the classic line From Ed Miliband during the debate: "don't look at the past, look at the future [so you don't scrutinise us on our gigantic cockups during the last time we were in government]"

I don't want the conservatives to get in because I quite like being in the EU and they want to have a referendum on that.

So because you as an individual don't want it, you believe nobody else should be afforded the opportunity to voice their opinion. I think you would have quite liked living in Soviet Russia, the GDR, or North Korea.

I'm sure if 70% voted against what you want and the vote was then disregarded you'd be quite pleased, rather than outraged at a lack of democratic procedure. But let's for a moment imagine 52% of the vote was for Labour and the result was then vetoed letting the Conservatives into government, you'd clearly be livid about it. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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No because labour has actual policies and isn't just a single-issue party like UKIP.

You mean the policy of spending like a lunatic?

[lemons]

i like the colour red

[Kyle]

Lol this is why Young people are apathetic towards politics. If they hold an unpopular opinion Among those that consider themselves better educated they are hounded for it. i won't post the entirety of my reasoning for supporting labour because this isn't (SHOULDNT be) a debate and was posed as a question. Would I be bothered if the conservatives got a second term? Probably not. It's not something that lays very heavily on my mind or affects my own life very directly.

[The Don]

Quite the assumption. You don't know how I vote, I may be opinionated (heavily so against Labour) but I'm actually an undecided voter. More likely to vote Conservative whether or not you choose to believe that. But I like your attempt at slander

Oh, don’t be so dramatic. I put iirc afterwards to highlight that I wasn’t entirely sure.

your lack of ability to provide a counter argument further serves to prove the lack of substance in your reasoning.

A counter argument to what? Your revolutionary point that *shock* parties have other incentives? Your grand point that Labour wants power? One of the most laughable points I’ve ever read. Every political party wants power, every political party has incentives. The bias from your post is incredible. I didn’t provide a counter argument because there is no need for one. People don’t need to elaborate on their reasons for voting. A lack of a response doesn’t indicate the inability to provide one, what stupid logic. Perhaps people don’t reply to you because you write paragraphs of waffle and then write off their opinions because you disagree with them.

Your obstinate inclination towards the Labour party with almost no reasoning whatsoever except for not wanting a Conservative government

Can you not read? I clearly provided my reasoning in another post.

(without reason as to why other than wishing citizens to not have a say on their own futures) really illustrates how stubborn you,

Oh, so you did read my reasoning, but dismissed it because you disagreed with it whilst in the same breath having the audacity to call me stubborn.

... A bit rich considering you're a Labour voter, a party whose mantra consists almost entirely of "vote for us and we'll give you free money" and "we'll spend more on X, Y and Z [of the money we don't actually have]". Oh, and the classic line From Ed Miliband during the debate: "don't look at the past, look at the future [so you don't scrutinise us on our gigantic cockups during the last time we were in government]"

you seem to think I’m some sort of devote Labour loyalist, I’m not, if it wasn’t a close call between the Conservatives and Labour I wouldn’t be voting for them, but because it is so close, and because I disagree with some of the conservatives policies I will have to vote for Labour.

So because you as an individual don't want it, you believe nobody else should be afforded the opportunity to voice their opinion. I think you would have quite liked living in Soviet Russia, the GDR, or North Korea.

So you don’t believe I should be afforded my right to vote for Labour because I should afford you your right to have a referendum? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds. The hypocrisy in that paragraph is mindblowing.

[David]

Edit: I'm not having a go at people and I won't post again

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The thread needed new life, we just performed forum CPR.

[Firehorse]

Lol this is why Young people are apathetic towards politics. If they hold an unpopular opinion Among those that consider themselves better educated they are hounded for it. i won't post the entirety of my reasoning for supporting labour because this isn't (SHOULDNT be) a debate and was posed as a question. Would I be bothered if the conservatives got a second term? Probably not. It's not something that lays very heavily on my mind or affects my own life very directly.

Anybody who holds a political opinion needs to have a reason for it. First time voters or people who are apathetic towards a subject will often be less well informed about that subject, and not be in the correct position to make an informed decision. Unfortunately too many people take the things that Ed, Dave and Nick say at face value without knowing their track record and the REALITY behind the vote they make.

Labour plans to lower the voting age to 16; whilst saying it's to be fair and get younger people involved in politics, yet it's only another vote manipulation scandal. They know full well that the young are more naïve and take what they say at face value and are therefore more likely to vote for them. Ken Livingstone even spoke to people at my school after 2008 to convince their parents to vote for him so they would get EMA when they reached sixth form (when his position as Mayor of London had no power over EMA in the first place). Literally lying for votes.
The same reason the SNP successfully campaigned to have the voting age set at 16 for the Scottish Independence Referendum: because younger voters are more naïve and are more prone to idealism.

Also this can be a question as to why, but without opposing reasons the thread would serve only as propaganda for Labour, which is wholly undemocratic.

I understand that many Labour supporters are quite happy for the younger population to be lied to because it gets them the outcome they want. Well not everybody is happy about it.

18 year olds voting now would majorly not have taken any interest in politics during the last general election at age 13, so have no or little idea of what has previously happened in the last election or elections prior to that. Ed Miliband could say "we'll give everybody a free house and make the debt vanish by borrowing even more" and there would be people who actually believe him.

Oh, don’t be so dramatic. I put iirc afterwards to highlight that I wasn’t entirely sure.

You had nothing to say so using a party you assumed I would vote for you attempted to insult me and bring my post into disrepute. You, as Kyle suggests are "hounding me for my unpopular opinion", funny how it works both ways, isn't it kyle!

To ridicule someone over support for a political party is akin to tactics used by the Kremlin to remove the threat of opposition. I'm not ridiculing you over your support for Labour, merely your lack of reasoning. I may as well though, seeing how much of a shambles the Labour party is.

A counter argument to what? Your revolutionary point that *shock* parties have other incentives? Your grand point that Labour wants power? One of the most laughable points I’ve ever read. Every political party wants power, every political party has incentives. The bias from your post is incredible. I didn’t provide a counter argument because there is no need for one. People don’t need to elaborate on their reasons for voting. A lack of a response doesn’t indicate the inability to provide one, what stupid logic. Perhaps people don’t reply to you because you write paragraphs of waffle and then write off their opinions because you disagree with them.

Not every party wants power for the same reasons. Most parties want power because they feel they have something to contribute to the running of the country and for the betterment of the country as a whole. The political decisions made by most parties are in the interest of the country, but what I have highlighted in my post is that Labour abused its power to the benefit not of the country, but of its own interests. When you are in a job to serve the country but only serve yourself, this is PLAIN AND SIMPLE CORRUPTION.

I'm not "writing off your opinions because I disagree", you barely seem to have an opinion on anything, except that you're tenaciously left wing regardless of actual policy or practice.

You may not believe so, but it's important that people can justify their opinions, otherwise vast numbers of people can be misled. If people are unable to justify an opinion it is also evidence that they themselves have been misled. Take a history lesson, Hitler misled Germany into World War II through unjustified opinion, false promises, and socialist ideology. The only thing that's changed is Labour are unlikely to amass an army and start a world war.

Without justified opinion people end up following the crowd just because it's what everyone else is doing, not because it's what they deem right. This is a very dangerous prospect.

Can you not read? I clearly provided my reasoning in another post.

Oh, so you did read my reasoning, but dismissed it because you disagreed with it whilst in the same breath having the audacity to call me stubborn.

Your reasoning being only that you think people shouldn't be afforded the right to vote on an EU referendum... because you're worried the majority of people don't agree with your opinion. You're accusing myself and the people who vote for UKIP as being fixated on a single policy, yet all you're fixated on is the exact opposite of the same one policy? If your entire vote is based on this then your decision is completely beguiled. As I specifically stated "almost no reasoning" and "except for not wanting a conservative government" (for the reason of keeping out of the EU, which is the same reason you don't want a conservative government hence the claim to "almost no reasoning"), you are deliberately misquoting me.

you seem to think I’m some sort of devote Labour loyalist, I’m not, if it wasn’t a close call between the Conservatives and Labour I wouldn’t be voting for them, but because it is so close, and because I disagree with some of the conservatives policies I will have to vote for Labour.

Voting for a party because you disagree with other parties is very bad practice. This is the same irrational reasoning that led to the BNP getting seats in the London Assembly and the European Parliament. Other than the slim possibility of an EU referendum being offered by the conservatives (they promised it at the last election and didn't deliver it, and are making the same promise now so fat chance of it actually happening), you haven't actually stated which policies you dislike, or in fact which Labour policies you agree with.

So you don’t believe I should be afforded my right to vote for Labour because I should afford you your right to have a referendum? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds. The hypocrisy in that paragraph is mindblowing.

I never stated you should not have a right to vote for [whichever political party you want]. I merely compared YOUR reasoning of not wanting others to have a vote to countries where people did not/do not get a say AT ALL. There is no hypocrisy in my post, you're merely making things up as you go again. Mind blowing, perhaps because you can't quite comprehend it?

[The Don]

Anybody who holds a political opinion needs to have a reason for it. First time voters or people who are apathetic towards a subject will often be less well informed about that subject, and not be in the correct position to make an informed decision. Unfortunately too many people take the things that Ed, Dave and Nick say at face value without knowing their track record and the REALITY behind the vote they make.

Labour plans to lower the voting age to 16; whilst saying it's to be fair and get younger people involved in politics, yet it's only another vote manipulation scandal. They know full well that the young are more naïve and take what they say at face value and are therefore more likely to vote for them. Ken Livingstone even spoke to people at my school after 2008 to convince their parents to vote for him so they would get EMA when they reached sixth form (when his position as Mayor of London had no power over EMA in the first place). Literally lying for votes.
The same reason the SNP successfully campaigned to have the voting age set at 16 for the Scottish Independence Referendum: because younger voters are more naïve and are more prone to idealism.

Also this can be a question as to why, but without opposing reasons the thread would serve only as propaganda for Labour, which is wholly undemocratic.

I understand that many Labour supporters are quite happy for the younger population to be lied to because it gets them the outcome they want. Well not everybody is happy about it.

18 year olds voting now would majorly not have taken any interest in politics during the last general election at age 13, so have no or little idea of what has previously happened in the last election or elections prior to that. Ed Miliband could say "we'll give everybody a free house and make the debt vanish by borrowing even more" and there would be people who actually believe him.



You had nothing to say so using a party you assumed I would vote for you attempted to insult me and bring my post into disrepute. You, as Kyle suggests are "hounding me for my unpopular opinion", funny how it works both ways, isn't it kyle!

To ridicule someone over support for a political party is akin to tactics used by the Kremlin to remove the threat of opposition. I'm not ridiculing you over your support for Labour, merely your lack of reasoning. I may as well though, seeing how much of a shambles the Labour party is.



Not every party wants power for the same reasons. Most parties want power because they feel they have something to contribute to the running of the country and for the betterment of the country as a whole. The political decisions made by most parties are in the interest of the country, but what I have highlighted in my post is that Labour abused its power to the benefit not of the country, but of its own interests. When you are in a job to serve the country but only serve yourself, this is PLAIN AND SIMPLE CORRUPTION.

I'm not "writing off your opinions because I disagree", you barely seem to have an opinion on anything, except that you're tenaciously left wing regardless of actual policy or practice.

You may not believe so, but it's important that people can justify their opinions, otherwise vast numbers of people can be misled. If people are unable to justify an opinion it is also evidence that they themselves have been misled. Take a history lesson, Hitler misled Germany into World War II through unjustified opinion, false promises, and socialist ideology. The only thing that's changed is Labour are unlikely to amass an army and start a world war.

Without justified opinion people end up following the crowd just because it's what everyone else is doing, not because it's what they deem right. This is a very dangerous prospect.



Your reasoning being only that you think people shouldn't be afforded the right to vote on an EU referendum... because you're worried the majority of people don't agree with your opinion. You're accusing myself and the people who vote for UKIP as being fixated on a single policy, yet all you're fixated on is the exact opposite of the same one policy? If your entire vote is based on this then your decision is completely beguiled. As I specifically stated "almost no reasoning" and "except for not wanting a conservative government" (for the reason of keeping out of the EU, which is the same reason you don't want a conservative government hence the claim to "almost no reasoning"), you are deliberately misquoting me.



Voting for a party because you disagree with other parties is very bad practice. This is the same irrational reasoning that led to the BNP getting seats in the London Assembly and the European Parliament. Other than the slim possibility of an EU referendum being offered by the conservatives (they promised it at the last election and didn't deliver it, and are making the same promise now so fat chance of it actually happening), you haven't actually stated which policies you dislike, or in fact which Labour policies you agree with.



I never stated you should not have a right to vote for [whichever political party you want]. I merely compared YOUR reasoning of not wanting others to have a vote to countries where people did not/do not get a say AT ALL. There is no hypocrisy in my post, you're merely making things up as you go again. Mind blowing, perhaps because you can't quite comprehend it?

You're talking about the Kremlin and Nazis now? Ridiculous. I've clearly expressed why I will be voting for Labour in the upcoming elections, you obviously still can't comprehend the fact that reasons still exist regardless of whether you agree with them or not so i'm done responding to you. Don't take the lack of any future replies as an "inability to respond" to your wishy-washy points but as a display of my lack of interest in debating with you.