Those who support or lean towards the Labour Party, why?

Firehorse · 04-04-2015, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

You're talking about the Kremlin and Nazis now? Ridiculous. I've clearly expressed why I will be voting for Labour in the upcoming elections, you obviously still can't comprehend the fact that reasons still exist regardless of whether you agree with them or not so i'm done responding to you. Don't take the lack of any future replies as an "inability to respond" to your wishy-washy points but as a display of my lack of interest in debating with you.

History repeats itself and it is very important lessons are learnt from it. There are many laws and provisions in place to ensure history does not repeat itself in many cases, it can be disastrous.

Why is it ridiculous to compare political circumstances? It's very relevant.

I don't need to make those other points about your lack of argument, your post speaks for itself.

Kardan · 05-04-2015, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Hashterix

As quoted, the arguments supporting a Labour vote really are quite pathetic and superficial.

Why?

I disagree with how the Conservatives are running (and planning to run) the country, especially in regards to education and an EU referendum. Whilst I'm not a great fan of Miliband the shadow cabinet at the moment seem a lot better than the current cabinet - I agree with Labour's policies more than any other party and in my constituency it's a clear battle between the Conservatives and Labour - no other party has a chance of getting in and frankly the Conservatives are pretty safe in my seat anyway, so it's more than likely that my vote for Labour is just as much of a waste as if you wanted me to vote for UKIP/Greens/Lib Dems.

Firehorse · 05-04-2015, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Kardan

Why?

I disagree with how the Conservatives are running (and planning to run) the country, especially in regards to education and an EU referendum. Whilst I'm not a great fan of Miliband the shadow cabinet at the moment seem a lot better than the current cabinet - I agree with Labour's policies more than any other party and in my constituency it's a clear battle between the Conservatives and Labour - no other party has a chance of getting in and frankly the Conservatives are pretty safe in my seat anyway, so it's more than likely that my vote for Labour is just as much of a waste as if you wanted me to vote for UKIP/Greens/Lib Dems.

Like I said before:

Voting for a party because you disagree with other parties is very bad practice. This is the same irrational reasoning that led to the BNP getting seats in the London Assembly and the European Parliament.

The conservatives offering an EU referendum is just a tactic for votes, they said the same thing at the last election and it didn't happen.

I'm assuming your opinion on education is based on the rise in tuition fees? Labour were the ones who introduced fees in the first place! The promised reduction is NOTHING EXCEPT A BRIBE FOR YOUR VOTE.

Labour were also the ones who abolished technical colleges, turning them into universities. No longer would plumbers/electricians/mechanics get trained up at the level they needed but instead were encouraged to go to university instead. This was Labour's way of skewing the figures to make it look like more people were in university than ever before, they would rather people got degrees in useless subjects like media than gain the skills needed to actually keep the country running. It also meant that people who wanted to become mechanics/electricians now had to do more expensive courses to gain their qualifications, all thanks to Labour. Labour portray themselves as trying to help people, yet almost EVERYTHING they do undermines the working class making it more difficult for people to actually get a leg up. There's so much contradiction in what people think Labour stand for and what they really stand for. They don't want people to succeed. If people succeed they would have no voters left!

Even as recently as 2009 Labour made it law that by 2013 all nurses had to have a university nursing degree. Another hurdle to stop people doing the jobs the country needs and replace them with migrant workers. This meant nurses had to go through the university system and end up with student debt instead of going on free nurse training courses. The NHS isn't just in a state thanks to the Tories, Labour's policies were still coming into action as recently as two years ago! More people just where Labour want them, in hardship.

I agree that the increase in tuition fees was wrong, especially when Scotland gets to go to university for free.

What the conservatives have done during their time in government is start to reintroduce technical colleges; they know that people need to be trained up to work for the country, otherwise you become reliant on migrant workers to fill key jobs which is all part of Labour's greater plan. Labour bribe you with the odd thousand pounds here and there but you need to look at the bigger picture, they're dangerous for this country's wellbeing.

Michael Gove may not have been the best education secretary; for schools the best option is to pick a system and then leave it alone and not change it every few governments. Labour were no better at this, they first removed grammar schools and turned them into state schools, and then turned the state schools into academies which did no better end job than the state schools. The only difference it made was intelligent children from poor backgrounds no longer being able to apply to schools with entry requirements, the intelligent were mixed in with the more difficult pupils to deliberately reduce the levels of effective education, they INCREASED the education gap between the poor and rich whilst feeding people the line it was all about equality to mix different levels of pupils, again so they can point the finger at the Conservatives for an unfair society and their newly produced under-educated society would vote for them believing it! What's more the academies were able to pay their leadership staff more instead of spending the money on pupils.

So in short: you're afraid the country doesn't agree with you on the EU so don't want people to be afforded the opportunity to voice their opinion, and you don't like the recent changes made to the education system but haven't actually scrutinised Labour's track record and will take what Miliband says at face value.

It's like the way people argue that the Conservatives have been privatising the NHS... when Labour privatised twice as much as the Conservatives to begin with!

When people vote for Labour "because they don't want the Conservatives" or "don't want a vote on the EU", then it IS a pathetic argument. It's as simple as that.

People don't even argue to agree with the incredible amount of changes Labour made in the past which have vastly changed the country for the worse, only basing their argument on two idealistic points (maybe they don't actually agree with Labour's dreadful past and deludedly think they've ACTUALLY changed this time round. Get real). It is idiocy.

Look into the details and don't be a sheep that takes what politicians say at face value. There is so much wrong with the Labour party it's quite unbelievable people still vote for them.

**scottish** · 05-04-2015, 11:33 AM

vote labour

**FlyingJesus** · 05-04-2015, 11:38 AM

Literally every manifesto claim is a bribe for your vote, that's the whole point of saying what you'll do

Everyone is stupid

Firehorse · 05-04-2015, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Literally every manifesto claim is a bribe for your vote, that's the whole point of saying what you'll do

Everyone is stupid

It is in a lot of cases, and not just for Labour. Labour are just the worst at it.

Conservatives and Lib Dems do it too.

Sian · 05-04-2015, 01:30 PM

Im labour because at heart (though not always frequently practiced) they're against privatisation (nothing like giving massive conglomerates the power to bankrupt people even easier), they tend to be more modernised (the Tories keep harking back to thatcher whereas right now we need to look to future Britain).

Main reasons, though im not an Ed fan, but he isnt the entirety of the labour party.