'Islamophobia' - Ed Miliband pledges to make criticism of Islam a thought crime

[The Don]

So now 'muslims' are 'third world'. Learning more and more in this thread!

BUT HES NOT A WAYCIST

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, it isn't third world behaviour. It's foul and disgusting, but how is that third world?

Because that is what happens in the third world.

Once again, when are you going to ******* open your eyes and see the paedophilia is not =/= to muslims.

And once again, I never said as you keep trying to make out that it applied to all muslims.

But it certainly is a feature of Islamic culture hence why we've had what we've had happen. Duh.

You said you are islamaphobic because muslims are the people raping English girls. That is distorting the issue.

No, i'm 'islamophobic' as I don't want to live in a society dominated or influenced in any meaningful way by Islam.

Or do you disagree? Would you like to live in a society in which Islam and all its sects held a meaningful sway over?

Well yes, you have. You've said that Labour is pandering to a third world vote by talking about Islamophobia, prompting the question of whether you think Muslims are third world peoples, to which you brought up something that a tiny minority of Muslims did (and which - as you keep saying - was allowed to happen by a far larger number of white Britons) as though that makes the entire religion and all of its practitioners "third world" somehow. By your odd logic it's white Christian indigenous folk who are the real third worlders because of the huge disparity of criminals in that category, especially political criminals.

A lot of the people who Labour slapped with a British passport as well as the current government aren't British in the slighest, with many of them living in cultural ghettos, not even speaking our language and living basically as they would in downtown Karachi. They are third worlders.

But again, it's the twisting of the issue. Of course all muslims here aren't third worlders: but in the context of the discussion it's clear what I mean.

So now Dan is claiming that people who live in the UK (A first world country) but worship Islam are third world? That is literally Islamophobic.

I never claimed all muslims here, as you know well, are third worlders. But many culturally are. And that includes the other non-muslim millions Labour brought in.

Arriving here and being handed a British passport on day one doesn't mean you cease to become a third worlder and become British.

BUT HES NOT A WAYCIST

Islam isn't a race.

[FlyingJesus]

But your entire reason for believing they are third worlders appears to be the crimes that get committed - once again, it would then follow that far more white Britons are living third world lives than Muslim immigrants, but since that's clearly not true the entire argument falls apart. You're simply using the wrong terminology

[AgnesIO]

Because that is what happens in the third world.



And once again, I never said as you keep trying to make out that it applied to all muslims.

But it certainly is a feature of Islamic culture hence why we've had what we've had happen. Duh.

That's like saying paedophilia is a feature of British culture (or did the people I link to, the BBC, Jimmy Saville etc not exist in your mind?). You have made out that you dislike muslims because of a few paedophiles...

No, i'm 'islamophobic' as I don't want to live in a society dominated or influenced in any meaningful way by Islam.

Or do you disagree? Would you like to live in a society in which Islam and all its sects held a meaningful sway over?

I could quite easily live in an 'Islamic State' (and by that, I don't mean ISIS, I mean a state where Islam is the main religion). Thanks for asking, though. Islamophobia is different to not wanting to live in a muslim majority state, anyway...

Kind of like claiming to have arachnophobia because you don't want to have a tarantula living in your home...

A lot of the people who Labour slapped with a British passport as well as the current government aren't British in the slighest, with many of them living in cultural ghettos, not even speaking our language and living basically as they would in downtown Karachi. They are third worlders.

But again, it's the twisting of the issue. Of course all muslims here aren't third worlders: but in the context of the discussion it's clear what I mean.

A bit like not all British people are paedophiles. Congratulations.

Muslims are not 'third worlders'.

I never claimed all muslims here, as you know well, are third worlders. But many culturally are. And that includes the other non-muslim millions Labour brought in.

Arriving here and being handed a British passport on day one doesn't mean you cease to become a third worlder and become British.

Well why not stop making sweeping statements, and then claiming you didn't say it at all - whether you mean to say it or not, that is exactly how your posts read.

Islam isn't a race.

At least you got that bit right. A xenophobic fool, maybe.

Bold yay

[-:Undertaker:-]

But your entire reason for believing they are third worlders appears to be the crimes that get committed - once again, it would then follow that far more white Britons are living third world lives than Muslim immigrants, but since that's clearly not true the entire argument falls apart. You're simply using the wrong terminology

That's like saying paedophilia is a feature of British culture (or did the people I link to, the BBC, Jimmy Saville etc not exist in your mind?). You have made out that you dislike muslims because of a few paedophiles...

Are you both like, is there something wrong with you?

Do you not understand that all cultures are not equal and that in cultures like Pakistan, across the Middle East and in Africa that it is viewed as acceptable by large swathes of the population to take child brides, have sex with children and have sex without consent? Thus, it goes without saying that if you bring large numbers of them in and they make no effort to integrate and live just like they do in Pakistan then they'll do what they do back in Pakistan. That's what has happened. It's like the voter fraud in Tower Hamlets: that is what they do in these backwards cultures, they don't play by the rules.

Ask anybody who deals abroad with cultures like Pakistan. Back in the British Raj for example when the British first arrived in India, we had trouble there as they used bribes as a normal part of trading yet we saw it as bribary (which it was) but they saw that sort of corruption as completely normal and fine.

If you can't get your heads around the idea that not every culture thinks like a liberal westerner does then don't bother replying.

At least you got that bit right. A xenophobic fool, maybe.

Islam isn't a nationality either.

I'm the fool yet two of the insults thrown at me so far don't even meet the definitions. Lol.

[AgnesIO]

Islam isn't a nationality either.

I'm the fool yet two of the insults thrown at me so far don't even meet the definitions. Lol.

Well, this is awkward. Xenophobia: an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Are you both like, is there something wrong with you?

Do you not understand that all cultures are not equal and that in cultures like Pakistan, across the Middle East and in Africa that it is viewed as acceptable by large swathes of the population to take child brides, have sex with children and have sex without consent? Thus, it goes without saying that if you bring large numbers of them in and they make no effort to integrate and live just like they do in Pakistan then they'll do what they do back in Pakistan. That's what has happened. It's like the voter fraud in Tower Hamlets: that is what they do in these backwards cultures, they don't play by the rules.

Ask anybody who deals abroad with cultures like Pakistan. Back in the British Raj for example when the British first arrived in India, we had trouble there as they used bribes as a normal part of trading yet we saw it as bribary (which it was) but they saw that sort of corruption as completely normal and fine.

If you can't get your heads around the idea that not every culture thinks like a liberal westerner does then don't bother replying.

A) Stop thinking 'liberal Western' culture is the best. It isn't. It has many, many flaws.
B) So what is your excuse for British paedophiles? Come on, I want to hear it. Are they simply paedophiles because of muslims, or??

[FlyingJesus]

Different culture =/= third world, no-one's saying anything but this. There's no claim that rape and paedophilia are good things that we desperately want imported (as though "natives" don't partake in such activities anyway), just that it's not the third world and no-one living in this country - even the homeless - is living a third world life.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well, this is awkward. Xenophobia: an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

I do hate practices such as FGM, child marriage and sex with children. That's right.

A) Stop thinking 'liberal Western' culture is the best. It isn't. It has many, many flaws.

Who claimed it was 100% perfect?

Again, trying to pollute the issue because you know what I say about corruption, rape, fraud, liberty etc is light-years ahead in the west.

B) So what is your excuse for British paedophiles? Come on, I want to hear it. Are they simply paedophiles because of muslims, or??

What are you on about? I don't quite get what you are on about. I guess you're trying to make the point that because we have men who will have sex with children in western culture that it's just as bad as what happens elsewhere in the world, right? Well that's rather silly isn't it because it simply isn't on the same scale and certainly isn't socially and culturally acceptable to do so in western cultures whereas in the third world like Africa and the Middle East it is perfectly normal to marry children, have sex with children and have sex with a woman whether she wants it or not.

If I could somehow prove it to you for you to actually grasp it properly and I was magic, then I would turn you into a girl and let you walk around the streets of Paris, Liverpool, Chicago and Vienna for the day. The next day I would drop you in the middle of Karachi, Nairobi or Rabat.

And then maybe you'd get the picure. If you still don't get it, then I guess you'd only ever get it if it was your daughter in the back of a Rotherham taxi.

Different culture =/= third world, no-one's saying anything but this. There's no claim that rape and paedophilia are good things that we desperately want imported (as though "natives" don't partake in such activities anyway), just that it's not the third world and no-one living in this country - even the homeless - is living a third world life.

As above.

[FlyingJesus]

Dunno why you said "as above" when there was nothing at all above responding to what I said. The third world does not exist in Britain, that's all. Your terminology is wrong, which is very dangerous in a debate especially when you're trying to preach something

[AgnesIO]

I do hate practices such as FGM, child marriage and sex with children. That's right.

Err, great. So do I. I work to combat the above issues. That is not a reason to hate muslims. Move on.

Who claimed it was 100% perfect?

Again, trying to pollute the issue because you know what I say about corruption, rape, fraud, liberty etc is light-years ahead in the west.

Congratulations. Some issues are ahead in the West. Shame many of our cultural and social values are going down hill (surely you agree, given your support of the nuclear family?).

What are you on about? I don't quite get what you are on about. I guess you're trying to make the point that because we have men who will have sex with children in western culture that it's just as bad as what happens elsewhere in the world, right? Well that's rather silly isn't it because it simply isn't on the same scale and certainly isn't socially and culturally acceptable to do so in western cultures whereas in the third world like Africa and the Middle East it is perfectly normal to marry children, have sex with children and have sex with a woman whether she wants it or not.

If I could somehow prove it to you for you to actually grasp it properly and I was magic, then I would turn you into a girl and let you walk around the streets of Paris, Liverpool, Chicago and Vienna for the day. The next day I would drop you in the middle of Karachi, Nairobi or Rabat

I'm making the point that hating muslims because a few of them are paedophiles is pathetic. Although I've come to expect that from you. Congratulations on making Africa one entity. I guess we are pretty much Romanian.

I once had the pleasure of spending time in Nairobi. With a girl. She is still alive. And wasn't raped.

And then maybe you'd get the picure. If you still don't get it, then I guess you'd only ever get it if it was your daughter in the back of a Rotherham taxi.

I have a feeling my daughter would survive a trip in a Rotherham taxi. There are 2.7m Muslims in Britain. Stop pretending they are all the same.



As above.

Response in bold.