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    That could be said about anyone making any decision.. What do you deem as rational? Rational is an opinion; someone else may not agree.


    Westboro believes picketing Homosexuals is Rational; DO YOU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darien View Post
    That could be said about anyone making any decision.. What do you deem as rational? Rational is an opinion; someone else may not agree.


    Westboro believes picketing Homosexuals is Rational; DO YOU?
    Anorexia is a diagnosable, recognised mental disorder which undoubtedly clouds ones judgement .. Christianity is not
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    @Darien; what do you propose instead for treatment? many mental illness do cause irrationality; you get stuck in a psychological cycle where you need help to break out of it. whether force feeding should be part of that treatment may depend, but how do you suggest getting help for anorexics instead?


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    Recommend them to a trained professional; such as a counsellor. There are many websites to help you get started.
    http://www.helpguide.org/articles/ea...g-disorder.htm


    Also Christianity does cloud ones judgement; to say it doesn't is rather silly. Religion in GENERAL.

    (From the above website; this interesting passage comes to mind.)

    Avoid placing shame, blame, or guilt on the person regarding their actions or attitudes. Do not use accusatory “you” statements like, “You just need to eat.” Or, “You are acting irresponsibly.” Instead, use “I” statements. For example: “I’m concerned about you because you refuse to eat breakfast or lunch.” Or, “It makes me afraid to hear you vomiting.”

    Wouldn't forcing things upon them be placing shame, blame, AND guilt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darien View Post
    Recommend them to a trained professional; such as a counsellor. There are many websites to help you get started.
    http://www.helpguide.org/articles/ea...g-disorder.htm
    Do you think those who are force fed are done so without any other mental health care? ....
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    That's not for me to say; it's on a case by case basis.. This is a specific scenario; is it ok to violate one's right to self? No; in most circumstances it is not.

    That said in reference to judgement; emotions also have adverse effects on your judgement.. So who's to say you are in your right mind; telling them what to do with their life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darien View Post
    That's not for me to say; it's on a case by case basis.. This is a specific scenario; is it ok to violate one's right to self? No; in most circumstances it is not.
    Any person who is deemed unwell enough to to be force fed has help beyond that.. it's a last resort

    You just said yourself that in most circumstances it isn't, in which do you think it is then?
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    When; due to that persons self actions, physical harm falls to another.

    The point is the decision should fall to whomever has the right to make the decision. If it's the person in question; it's their decision.. If they ARE deemed unable to make their own decisions, it would fall to next of kin or whomever has power of attorney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darien View Post
    When; due to that persons self actions, physical harm falls to another.
    The mental trauma that a self inflicted death would have on the individuals family members/friends would arguably have a longer lasting and potentially worse effect than physical harm
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    Yet; we don't make allowances for that in society because it's circumstancial.

    Should we physically force, tape even, those with bulimia's mouths shut so they're not able to purge? Do we have a right to do that to another human being? Would you like that done to you? The entire issue is about taking away one persons RIGHT TO SELF because /not them/ thinks you should... Who's to say?

    What if someone lying on their death beds wishes to die; but you don't let them.. You decide they should live.. And a month later they contract cancer and die a horribly painful and agonizing death... When that all could of been avoided? Whos right is it to decide?
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