Florida nightclub shooting

[Brad]

On a positive note to this whole thing. Apparently tons of people are lined up to donate blood to help wounded victims.


http://www.towleroad.com/2016/06/donate-blood-orlando/

[-:Undertaker:-]

BREAKING NEWS: Islamic State reportedly claims responsibility for Orlando nightclub terror attack https://t.co/ZCwe3oy1mG

— Fox News Alert (@foxnewsalert) June 12, 2016

Caveat that claimed and actually did are both different things but...

[-:Undertaker:-]

Already the Facebook posts "more love not hate" and lighting up buildings has begun. Celebrities holding message signs and posting to Instagram. Does this make anyone else roll their eyes like it does me? The world doesn't need more love my friends - it needs more hate and anger directed at the evil people who commit these acts. Instead of tears, candles and teddy bears - which terrorists will simply laugh at as a display of western weakness - we need raging anger that this isn't going to happen again and that anger needs to be directed at how the government and FBI let this guy with known links have access to a gun or even be on the streets and how our politicians are too scared to take on radical Islam for fear of reprisals and being called racist.

During the blitz Nazi Germany wasn't defeated with more love or lighting up buildings. It was defeated with resolve, anger and determination from the British people and a government with cojones. It seems that we're lacking both of these today in the fight against radical Islam.

Evil thrives when good men do nothing and stand by.

[wixard]

Already the Facebook posts "more love not hate" and lighting up buildings has begun. Celebrities holding message signs and posting to Instagram. Does this make anyone else roll their eyes like it does me? The world doesn't need more love my friends - it needs more hate and anger directed at the evil people who commit these acts. Instead of tears, candles and teddy bears - which terrorists will simply laugh at as a display of western weakness - we need raging anger that this isn't going to happen again and that anger needs to be directed at how the government and FBI let this guy with known links have access to a gun or even be on the streets and how our politicians are too scared to take on radical Islam for fear of reprisals and being called racist.

During the blitz Nazi Germany wasn't defeated with more love or lighting up buildings. It was defeated with resolve, anger and determination from the British people and a government with cojones. It seems that we're lacking both of these today in the fight against radical Islam.

Evil thrives when good men do nothing and stand by.

Is it affecting you in any way? I seriously don't get your hatred for it, it's no substitute and no rational person is using it as a way of 'fighting'. It's to show support and respect, what is wrong with support? No one is saying that the flowers or teddy bears being placed in memory are gonna KILL ALL THE BAD MEN!!1

Do you roll your eyes at people who leave flowers or teddys on gravestones? Everyone knows it is not going to help the problem, but it's nice to feel united and show solidarity.

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Is it affecting you in any way? I seriously don't get your hatred for it, it's no substitute and no rational person is using it as a way of 'fighting'. It's to show support and respect, what is wrong with support? No one is saying that the flowers or teddy bears being placed in memory are gonna KILL ALL THE BAD MEN!!1

Do you roll your eyes at people who leave flowers or teddys on gravestones? Everyone knows it is not going to help the problem, but it's nice to feel united and show solidarity.

Because I find it insincere. Grief or sorrow isn't usually something you plaster all over social media.

Lot's of people jump on the bandwagon with these events to show how caring and compassionate they are, totally blanking other events that are also terrible but which aren't running a bandwagon at the time. And i'm sorry but again, singing Imagine in the streets and lighting up the Eiffel Tower doesn't "fight" anything - I have seen countless people saying you "fight hate with love" as though this is a Harry Potter novel with some secret spell.

In the real world, the strongest preveils. You fight hate with hatred of the enemy, strong intellectual opposition to your enemy and with force.

[wixard]

Because I find it insincere. Grief or sorrow isn't usually something you plaster all over social media.

Lot's of people jump on the bandwagon with these events to show how caring and compassionate they are, totally blanking other events that are also terrible but which aren't running a bandwagon at the time. And i'm sorry but again, singing Imagine in the streets and lighting up the Eiffel Tower doesn't "fight" anything - I have seen countless people saying you "fight hate with love" as though this is a Harry Potter novel with some secret spell.

In the real world, the strongest preveils. You fight hate with hatred of the enemy, strong intellectual opposition to your enemy and with force.

Who are you to tell other people if their feelings are sincere or not? Again you just spout off about how it's not 'fighting' anything when I just said nobody says that! I feel at ease when I see solidarity, nobody should be living in fear right? Surely that's a sign of weakness? Unity helps lessen the fear so how is that not a good thing. Its just you looking for a reason to be miserable, take out your fighting with love argument and it's literally just you being miserable.

also with respect to the other events being blanked out, it's events closest to home that people are obviously going to be affected by the most, empathise with, and therefore speak out.

[Matt]

Sounds like they expect the death toll to rise as there's a large number of people in critical conditions in hospital

RIP to all those that lost their lives.

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It usually takes me time to feel anything with events around the world as numb from so many. The pictures though, like the Paris attacks, do really bring the story to life. It hit me an hour or so ago. Very sad. The mother who was looking for her son and his boyfriend I recall yesterday: just found out both are dead.

[Empired]

Who are you to tell other people if their feelings are sincere or not? Again you just spout off about how it's not 'fighting' anything when I just said nobody says that! I feel at ease when I see solidarity, nobody should be living in fear right? Surely that's a sign of weakness? Unity helps lessen the fear so how is that not a good thing. Its just you looking for a reason to be miserable, take out your fighting with love argument and it's literally just you being miserable.

Same tbh +rep in a second because like the wisest man ever (dumbledore) once said 'We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided'. Ok and I know I sound like I'm joking and I am about taking a fictional character seriously but there's definitely still truth to that^

One of the silver linings to terrible crimes like this is always to see the solidarity and goodwill that comes from people all over the world. You always see doom and gloom and how humanity is evil and corrupted and we're bombing each other, kidnapping and killing people, the economy's crashing, a war's broken out, another big company has shut down, etc. etc. so I think it's so easy to forget about how kind humanity can be.
I don't know, I guess it's just powerful to me because it's a way of people saying to terrorists and hateful people that actually no we don't agree with what you're doing and you still haven't broken us?

Idk I just feel stupid now but it's important to me.

[wixard]

It usually takes me time to feel anything with events around the world as numb from so many. The pictures though, like the Paris attacks, do really bring the story to life. It hit me an hour or so ago. Very sad. The mother who was looking for her son and his boyfriend I recall yesterday: just found out both are dead.

also the woman who's son texted her, pleading for help and that he was going to die is also confirmed dead. The text 'mommy I'm scared' is so haunting because it shows his complete vulnerability in the situation. I spent all of last night constantly looking for news to see if he survived, woke this morning to see he had passed. He texted her for 50 minutes, it's things like that which humanise it for me and I'm sure it's the same for others which is why I believe the worldwide grief is real