Transgender 9-year-old

[Joe]

well i'm tired of this forum bashing 'lefties' and considering themselves superior

who **** cares? people can do what they want, i don't give a shit what they let their kids do
and you know what? if my kid came and said to me they were trans, i'd hear them out
that decision at 9 is a big decision to make but i'd be willing to compromise to delay it for a couple years to ensure it's what they really wanted
and like laura said, if all evaluation was done correctly and it's reversible why **** not

i don't feel strongly for/against it but i'm sick of you lot and this new trend to bash librals

If this was at me pls see flyingjesus' response

[Empired]

In fairness this forum bashes "lefties" in other threads and even tho it's not been explicitly said in this thread it's obviously implied.

I don't know why I'm arguing because I still don't really care but I guess I'm just saying I can see why tara would be mad just bc of general shit as of late not necessarily specific to this thread ye

[wixard]

Joe for the record it wasnt aimed at you at all, yours was one of the most rational responses

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and at fj empired summed up what I'm thinking, every second thread lately seems to be a smug circle jerk

[FlyingJesus]

There's a big difference between voting Labour and giving drugs to kids because of what they read on the internet, this isn't about left vs right at all it's about dangerously tampering with a child's body and mind just because they like a certain style of clothing. The better option would be to remove the stigma around males in traditionally female clothes rather than removing organs - they can do that for themselves once they're legally adults if they still feel there's no other course of action

[wixard]

when did it suddenly turn into removing organs?

[FlyingJesus]

Ok not removing them but removing their function with a view to having them removed fully at a later date. It's still very drastic when you could instead just let people wear what they want and play with the toys they like

[Empired]

Js but I think the gender stereotypes/stigma thing fj said hits the nail on the head.

It can only ever really by hypothetical but I would love to poke my head in a parallel universe for a sec and see if transgender still exists as a concept in a world where gender stereotypes are non-existent and there is no expectation for boys and girls to be anything but individuals.

Soz I think I might be veering off topic but I do actually think about that^ a lot.

[lawrawrrr]

wearing different clothes and taking puberty blocking pills are incredibly different things though.... i do agree that there should be less stigma around playing with "girls" toys or wearing "girls" clothes but you cant seriously think that doctors accept a boy saying I LIKE SKIRTS and then signs off on the drugs like that surely?!?!

[Joe]

Joe for the record it wasnt aimed at you at all, yours was one of the most rational responses

ok sweet, just making sure!!

wearing different clothes and taking puberty blocking pills are incredibly different things though.... i do agree that there should be less stigma around playing with "girls" toys or wearing "girls" clothes but you cant seriously think that doctors accept a boy saying I LIKE SKIRTS and then signs off on the drugs like that surely?!?!

true, i really struggle to empathise with the child simply because that is literally my only interaction that's even close to thinking i'm the opposite gender. but I think one of the biggest issues is that people in positions of trust, which includes doctors, teachers, social workers are struggling to find a line that crosses between the law of the land, the moral minefield of mental/physical health and also this more accepting, liberal world we're living in. i remember reading something about a fourteen year old who wanted to change genders, but their parents said to wait for a few years and social services got involved threatening to take the child away?

i don't envy some of the people in these jobs as it seems nigh on impossible to get right

[FlyingJesus]

you cant seriously think that doctors accept a boy saying I LIKE SKIRTS and then signs off on the drugs like that surely?!?!

Says in the article that they're only having 4-6 appointments before beginning the drug treatment, which is hideously irresponsible. I know the road to getting proper trans treatment like HRT and then surgery is extremely difficult and long-winded but in this particular case they seem to be rushing along as though making a 9 year old infertile isn't a problem