Germany imposes restrictions on unvaccinated people

[FlyingJesus]

Ok but you're still wrong, it does not "only really" kill the elderly. A majority, even a large one, is not a totality. You're wrong to say that, you're wrong to dismiss even a minority of deaths just because they don't fit with your story, and sure yes I will "threaten" again because I do not want you and your lies polluting my community that I care about; stop trying to deliberately mislead people when lives are literally at stake.

Your childish rebel vision of freedom does not trump the safety of the people here, and I'm more than happy to edit out your dangerous nonsense if you keep going with it. This is not the place for that sort of thing, and no before you cry even more you don't have the right to post anything you want.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ok but you're still wrong, it does not "only really" kill the elderly. A majority, even a large one, is not a totality. You're wrong to say that, you're wrong to dismiss even a minority of deaths just because they don't fit with your story, and sure yes I will "threaten" again because I do not want you and your lies polluting my community that I care about; stop trying to deliberately mislead people when lives are literally at stake.

Your childish rebel vision of freedom does not trump the safety of the people here, and I'm more than happy to edit out your dangerous nonsense if you keep going with it. This is not the place for that sort of thing, and no before you cry even more you don't have the right to post anything you want.

I never said a totality because "only really" doesn't mean a totality.

That's why you edited out "really" in your quote because you're a liar. And like all liars, when you get found out you start to bully and threaten. I've been quite clear throughout this that the vast majority of deaths from Covid-19 are from the very elderly who are suffering significant co-morbidities. Don't like that fact? Tough.

[Seatherny]

You've just lied about me saying Covid-19 only affects older people. I haven't said anything of the sort - what I have said, which is backed by all of the government statistics themselves, is that Covid-19 only really kills those who are in their 80s and 90s

Which country are you on about, because if you are talking about UK then you are a liar.

Deaths for period 1 October 2020 to 30 September 2021

Total death (laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19) = 97,695

42.5% of the deaths were under 80.
19.5% of the deaths were of people under the age of retirement.

"Covid-19 only really kills those who are in their 80s and 90s" ... really? Data suggests you are a liar (as usual).

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...x-distribution

[Seatherny]

So given Covid-19 is never ever going to disappear and will continue to mutate and claim lives forever, are you suggesting that the restrictions on our lives ought to be permanent? And if not permanent, can you put a timescale on how long and until when you think these measures should remain in place?

Please try and reply and follow a logical argument and not just say something stupid like granny killer or whatever else.

What restrictions are in place? Wearing masks? Asking the public to take a vaccine? Is this too much to ask when deaths since COVID have been higher almost every month when compared to the last 5 years average for each month?

You know why in India COVID has been controlled so well? Because people do not argue, they realise wearing masks and washing hands is for the greater good. Here, the prime minister literally had to teach people how to wash their hands properly last year, that is disgusting. People here refuse to wear masks... because liberty and shit. Oh grow up, wear a mask when around others, wash your hands, its good hygiene and helps to save lives. You moan in other debates during elections that NHS is struggling, yet you promote things which cause strain on the NHS. It is ridiculous. Wear a mask, maintain good hygiene, get a medically approved vaccine, how can people say this is too much to ask?

You know what is sad? Here the government has to beg people to get a vaccine. In poor countries, people beg the government to give them a vaccine.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Which country are you on about, because if you are talking about UK then you are a liar.

Deaths for period 1 October 2020 to 30 September 2021

Total death (laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19) = 97,695

42.5% of the deaths were under 80.
19.5% of the deaths were of people under the age of retirement.

"Covid-19 only really kills those who are in their 80s and 90s" ... really? Data suggests you are a liar (as usual).

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...x-distribution

You quoted it yourself. 56,163 over 80, although yes the age group of 70 has significant numbers so I should have said 70s to 90s.

These are incredibly small numbers, especially when you take into account the national life expectancy which is 81 as well as the fact that many of these people had significant co-morbidities. Not only that, on the link you yourself quoted it says "†Deaths within 60 days of a positive COVID-19 test or where COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate." so we cannot even say these people died of Covid-19 because they died with Covid-19.

Take my Grandmother for example. She is a month away from turning 87, she has advancing dementia as well as high blood pressure, but other than that she is fine in terms of her physical health. Now, if she were to go into hospital whether for Covid-19 or say a heart attack, but she was recorded as having Covid-19 and then died - her death would go down as a Covid-19 death when, given her age and state of health, it would not truly be a Covid-19 death as there are significant underlying causes.

It is simply not the case that people are dropping dead from this statistically mild virus.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What restrictions are in place? Wearing masks? Asking the public to take a vaccine? Is this too much to ask when deaths since COVID have been higher almost every month when compared to the last 5 years average for each month?

Oh only mandating what people wear, barring family from visiting dying relatives in hospitals and care homes, forcing people to pay ridiculous sums of money for travel tests which friends of government happen to supply, ruining the hospitality industry with unworkable rules, scaring the life out of people and more.

Have you been denied access to a hospital to see a dying relative? I wonder how that feels.

You know why in India COVID has been controlled so well?

India has low death rates because of a lower life expectancy and a younger population.

Western countries are more prone to higher death rates because of an older population and due to longer life expectancy, more people are living with serious health conditions which they would not be living with in countries such as India, because they would already be dead. The same applies to Africa and Asia.

Saurav]Because people do not argue, they realise wearing masks and washing hands is for the greater good. Here, the prime minister literally had to teach people how to wash their hands properly last year, that is disgusting. People here refuse to wear masks... because liberty and shit. Oh grow up, wear a mask when around others, wash your hands, its good hygiene and helps to save lives. You moan in other debates during elections that NHS is struggling, yet you promote things which cause strain on the NHS. It is ridiculous. Wear a mask, maintain good hygiene, get a medically approved vaccine, how can people say this is too much to ask?

You know what is sad? Here the government has to beg people to get a vaccine. In poor countries, people beg the government to give them a vaccine.

The fact that Indians do not critically question government policy and instead vote along caste and religious lines isn't the winning argument you think it is.

As for your points on masks, vaccines and socially distancing - you yourself are free to do all this. But you do not have the power to enforce it on me.

[Seatherny]

You quoted it yourself. 56,163 over 80, although yes the age group of 70 has significant numbers so I should have said 70s to 90s.

These are incredibly small numbers, especially when you take into account the national life expectancy which is 81 as well as the fact that many of these people had significant co-morbidities. Not only that, on the link you yourself quoted it says "†Deaths within 60 days of a positive COVID-19 test or where COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate." so we cannot even say these people died of Covid-19 because they died with Covid-19.

Take my Grandmother for example. She is a month away from turning 87, she has advancing dementia as well as high blood pressure, but other than that she is fine in terms of her physical health. Now, if she were to go into hospital whether for Covid-19 or say a heart attack, but she was recorded as having Covid-19 and then died - her death would go down as a Covid-19 death when, given her age and state of health, it would not truly be a Covid-19 death as there are significant underlying causes.

It is simply not the case that people are dropping dead from this statistically mild virus.

19.5% of the deaths were of people under the age of retirement.

Oh my God. I give up. People such as yourself is why my taxes are going up. Wasting NHS money by literally being stupid. Filling up NHS beds by being stupid and killing those who did the right thing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Can anyone tell me how just long they are prepared to put up with this way of life?

19.5% of the deaths were of people under the age of retirement.

Oh my God. I give up. People such as yourself is why my taxes are going up. Wasting NHS money by literally being stupid. Filling up NHS beds by being stupid and killing those who did the right thing.

Yes, and I am not denying that people will not die from this virus just as the flu and other viruses kill thousands of people each year.

What I am arguing with you about is that deaths from this virus are inevitable from now and until forever. Are you therefore saying restrictions are forever?

[Seatherny]

India has low death rates because of a lower life expectancy and a younger population.

Western countries are more prone to higher death rates because of an older population and due to longer life expectancy, more people are living with serious health conditions which they would not be living with in countries such as India, because they would already be dead. The same applies to Africa and Asia.



The fact that Indians do not critically question government policy and instead vote along caste and religious lines isn't the winning argument you think it is.

As for your points on masks, vaccines and socially distancing - you yourself are free to do all this. But you do not have the power to enforce it on me.

Indias population is 10x that of UK, death number is lower than UK so your argument of life expectancy and younger population is null and void.

"Indians do not critically queston government policy" hahaha oh my God, don't comment on something you have zero clue about. I am a British Indian, I visit India regularly, my extended family all live in India, I know exactly how the public there behave and believe me, every move, law, action is put under the microscope not just by the media and the opposition, but by the people.

The India you are quoting is of 20-30 years ago. There is a reason why the country is booming, and why the UK is ... well sinking.

[Seatherny]

Can anyone tell me how just long they are prepared to put up with this way of life?



Yes, and I am not denying that people will not die from this virus just as the flu and other viruses kill thousands of people each year.

What I am arguing with you about is that deaths from this virus are inevitable from now and until forever. Are you therefore saying restrictions are forever?

Wearing a mask and washing hands is not a restriction, it is good hygiene. I assume you are probably one of those people who refuses to wash their hands after having a shit because REBEL.