Being born Gay

[UKIP]

Nature or Nurture argument really. Personally i think it's nurture because everyone is born straight it's human nature

It isn't human nature to be just straight, hence why we have gay penguins and gay animals across the board. Nobody can influence what someone is attracted to, just like when eleven year olds first hit puberty they don't think deeply about what they are going to be attracted to, they just are.

[Heinous]

It isn't human nature to be just straight, hence why we have gay penguins and gay animals across the board. Nobody can influence what someone is attracted to, just like when eleven year olds first hit puberty they don't think deeply about what they are going to be attracted to, they just are.

Firstly, I have to say: I have no problem with homosexuals or bisexuals.

Now that's clear. You're a *REMOVED* It is genetically NATURAL to be straight. Just because something deviates from the norm, does not mean the norm is not normal. One could compare it to disabilities of sorts (see my first point again, this isn't an insult - merely a comparison).

No. Things do influence what people like. Our various senses, and sources, dictate everything we feel. We begin essentially as a blank state. Whatever reason someone uses an excuse, or reasoning to like their own sex, or the opposite sex (or fetishes, etc), has been caused by something. Cause and effect.

I personally treat homosexuals and bisexuals as I would any other person. If they're a decent person, I treat them decently. If they're a degradation to society, I treat them poorly (on the topic of equality; same with women - want equality, but take beneficial sexism happily).

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

(Also, yes. I'm aware being born straight contradicts choosing what gender you like. But m/f relationships procreate, the purpose of life. Whereas, f/f and m/m, do not.)

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[RandomManJay]

Firstly, I have to say: I have no problem with homosexuals or bisexuals.

Now that's clear. You're a moron. It is genetically NATURAL to be straight. Just because something deviates from the norm, does not mean the norm is not normal. One could compare it to disabilities of sorts (see my first point again, this isn't an insult - merely a comparison).

No. Things do influence what people like. Our various senses, and sources, dictate everything we feel. We begin essentially as a blank state. Whatever reason someone uses an excuse, or reasoning to like their own sex, or the opposite sex (or fetishes, etc), has been caused by something. Cause and effect.

I personally treat homosexuals and bisexuals as I would any other person. If they're a decent person, I treat them decently. If they're a degradation to society, I treat them poorly (on the topic of equality; same with women - want equality, but take beneficial sexism happily).

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

(Also, yes. I'm aware being born straight contradicts choosing what gender you like. But m/f relationships procreate, the purpose of life. Whereas, f/f and m/m, do not.)

You've already made a massive mistake with everyone being born straight, we aren't born with innate sexual drive to mate with the opposite sex, that is reproductive drive which has been repressed due to our evolution, sexual drive has nothing to do with sexuality, sexual drive is the want and need for sexual gratification, not reproduction, if we were sexually active from birth, its reasonable to assume that we would try to have sex with anything that moves because our sexual drive would not have been supressed, nor maintained through the social complexities and repressed instictive drives that we have acheive through our evolution. We cannot engage this sexual drive as we are unable to mate from this age therefore our sexuality is not known as we cannot become sexually active by our triggers. When we reach the age that our sexual drive becomes active, the triggers become active and our sexuality becomes known to us, thats why people say you never know if they are straight or gay when they're a child because their sex drive isn't active yet and they aren't aroused by their triggers. Our reproductive drive is similar to this respect, considering we have reached a level in intelligence and social complexity that we are able to control our instictive drives (such as the drive to reproduce) hence we are able to decide whether or not to reproduce rather than it being instinctual like all other animals beneath us within the evolutionary chain. This suggests that there are animals within the animal kingdom which are homosexual, but as their instictive drives to reproduce are not supressed, they cannot choose whether to act on their triggers as they are required to reproduce.

Also in terms of being born as a blank slate, its known as the behavioural approach to development and that our personality and in your terms sexuality as well is defined and shaped by our environment, there has not been a successful link made between environment and sexuality (this is in terms of a mentally stable environment), also because you've suggested this approach, it means that our behaviour is capable of changing as well as our sexuality, something which has never been proven for our sexuality and is often taken as truth and fact in many Christian views as well as non-believers as an excuse to be homophobic and force others into believing that their sexuality is nothing more than being brought up incorrectly and that they should change in order to be happy.

I in no way think you're homophobic as you've said in your post, just putting forth the main reason why this approach is popular to many people as if means that homosexuals are the result of inproper factors and that it can be neutralised.

[ifuseekamy]

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

Most gays I know say they would choose to be straight if they could. I even know some who are frustrated because they want to live a "normal life" and have a white wedding and children.

[Hazza]

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

Thats totally false. Most gay guys I know, including me, would if we could be straight so what you're saying is ******** quite frankly!

[buttons]

Thats totally false. Most gay guys I know, including me, would if we could be straight so what you're saying is ******** quite frankly!

I don't understand when people say that, why, from a gay guys point of view, would you want to be straight? Is it because you think it's "normal", if it is then what Heinous says is true that it's because you're too cowardly to admit you like the same sex because that's what you're attracted to, otherwise I really can't see why you would rather want to like the girls instead of boys as though you're ashamed :S:S:S argh cba explaining

[Immenseman]

because being straight is far less hassle. nobody wants to be excluded or singled out in a negative light and unfortunately gay people are singled out in that way thus i also know many gays who wish that were straight and had the urge to go out and sleep with females, rather than males. however, they aren't and don't have such urges which excludes them from activities their friends and people around them are engaging in.

anyway, i don't think you're born gay. much more to do with upbringing and what happens around you in my opinion.

[GommeInc]

because being straight is far less hassle. nobody wants to be excluded or singled out in a negative light and unfortunately gay people are singled out in that way thus i also know many gays who wish that were straight and had the urge to go out and sleep with females, rather than males. however, they aren't and don't have such urges which excludes them from activities their friends and people around them are engaging in.

anyway, i don't think you're born gay. much more to do with upbringing and what happens around you in my opinion.

Bit in bold confuses me, are homosexuals handicapped? I'm sure a gay man can do the exact same things as a straight man can So what activities can a gay man not do with people around them? Straight orgies? Because that contradicts orgies in so many ways (considering they require more than 1 of each gender, which means 2 men or 2 women which kinda destroys the point of strict-sexuality)

[Immenseman]

no. however, do you think it's as easy to meet a lad (if you're gay) as opposed to a lady (for a straight guy). maybe in essex, not here in medieval devon

[UKIP]

Firstly, I have to say: I have no problem with homosexuals or bisexuals.

Now that's clear. You're a *REMOVED* It is genetically NATURAL to be straight. Just because something deviates from the norm, does not mean the norm is not normal. One could compare it to disabilities of sorts (see my first point again, this isn't an insult - merely a comparison).

No. Things do influence what people like. Our various senses, and sources, dictate everything we feel. We begin essentially as a blank state. Whatever reason someone uses an excuse, or reasoning to like their own sex, or the opposite sex (or fetishes, etc), has been caused by something. Cause and effect.

I personally treat homosexuals and bisexuals as I would any other person. If they're a decent person, I treat them decently. If they're a degradation to society, I treat them poorly (on the topic of equality; same with women - want equality, but take beneficial sexism happily).

I believe it is an absolute cop out to say "I was born this way", rather than metaphorically man up and say you chose to like a specific gender. I can, and will admit, I like girls because I want to.

(Also, yes. I'm aware being born straight contradicts choosing what gender you like. But m/f relationships procreate, the purpose of life. Whereas, f/f and m/m, do not.)

Post edited by iAdam (Forum Moderator); Please do not insult other forum members.

Indeed it is the normal to be straight, thats the majority. However it is down to genes, just like having brown eyes is, having black hair is, having a well built body is, being six foot tall rather than 5 foot tall is.

Do people with downs syndrome choose to have downs syndrome? - no.

You do not choose to like females.

When you were eleven did you suddenly decide one day "oh i'll like girls not boys" - you're talking absolute rubbish i'm afraid. Gay people, some of them are thrown out by their families, beat up, left by friends because they are gay - do you think they chose that?