UK General Election 2017 Megathread

[-:Undertaker:-]

Labour have leaked their manifesto.

Cba posting the full article but includes nationalisation of industries, abolishing tuition fees etc. All of the students on social media lapping Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto re-heated up, but won't play well in Middle England.

Homelessness is rising and something like fewer than 1/3 of people have £100 in savings, so it could easily get to that situation for a lot of people.

Because a lot of people refuse to save money in this country. I know a family on benefits who haven't got a bean to rub together but buy the child chippy all the time and a £600 coat. In my deprived area, children are walking around in gear just for school (bags, shoes, phones) worth hundreds and hundreds of pounds.

The same electorate who will complain about the evil Tories being mean with benefit curbs.

Not all of them speak English.

Pretty sure they do but if you want to be pedantic then we'll exempt Welsh, Gaelic, Cornish and Irish.

I get that, but you're removing translators who helps with access in the first place.

Indeed. I don't want them to have access if it's costing us an arm and a leg.

Pay for treatment and pay for translation services. The full bill.

Sure, but you're going to need either people and/or a system for it to actually be implemented. It's not going to be without some investment.

Of course, but worth it. I don't believe everything should be decided on money anyway, it's a question of it being morally right and just to restrict healthcare to those not entitled to it and spend instead on British subjects healthcare.

I think he means that the cost of translators should also be paid by the non-national, not sure I agree with that since it's such a simple service and provides jobs along with making everyone else's jobs much easier

Translation services are expensive and creating multiple pen pushing jobs in the NHS is exactly why there's budget problems despite the huge increases of cash it gets every few years. Managers and consultants galore!

[FlyingJesus]

creating multiple pen pushing jobs in the NHS

Like by introducing a pay-to-go scheme and policing identification whenever you want to see a doctor

[-:Undertaker:-]

Like by introducing a pay-to-go scheme and policing identification whenever you want to see a doctor

Holding a passport or ID up to a GP shouldn't require too much paperwork.

[FlyingJesus]

It would need to be done at the appointment level in order to not waste the doctor's time - otherwise they might as well just go through with the appointment anyway. Considering that can be done in person, on the phone, or online in many cases that's just not something you can do on faith

[-:Undertaker:-]

It would need to be done at the appointment level in order to not waste the doctor's time - otherwise they might as well just go through with the appointment anyway. Considering that can be done in person, on the phone, or online in many cases that's just not something you can do on faith

A member of my family has seen it done at the reception desk.

Thankfully some staff do enforce existing rules but ought to roll out checks widespread given amount of gimmegrants in country.

[FlyingJesus]

Congrats, I too have seen appointments made at a reception desk that's why I included it in my list of ways to do it

[-:Undertaker:-]

Congrats, I too have seen appointments made at a reception desk that's why I included it in my list of ways to do it

oh i'm not talking about appointments i'm talking about providing proof of ID/residence. you must've got confused lol x

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah but the point is that can't be done online or by phone which is how an enormous number of people conduct their business, so in your world we'd severely limit access to doctors, especially to those who are least mobile and therefore potentially need it the most

[dbgtz]

Because a lot of people refuse to save money in this country. I know a family on benefits who haven't got a bean to rub together but buy the child chippy all the time and a £600 coat. In my deprived area, children are walking around in gear just for school (bags, shoes, phones) worth hundreds and hundreds of pounds.

The same electorate who will complain about the evil Tories being mean with benefit curbs.

Cool. Unfortunately for you, anecdotal evidence means dog shit.

Indeed. I don't want them to have access if it's costing us an arm and a leg.

Pay for treatment and pay for translation services. The full bill.

OK, but then why not just include the translation service in the medical bill? Unless I've misread what you've been saying.

Of course, but worth it. I don't believe everything should be decided on money anyway, it's a question of it being morally right and just to restrict healthcare to those not entitled to it and spend instead on British subjects healthcare.

And I believe it's morally wrong to spend more money than is necessary.
Do we really need to go over how bogus the moral argument is again?

Replying to your other points here as I cba to quote them but you use the Passport as a form of ID but that doesn't prove residence. A British citizen living in France could pop over for operations quite easily despite never paying into the system.
There are something like 340 million GP appointments a year (in 2013 or 2014), and that's obviously not including any other kind of medical appointments, so it's quite a bit of paperwork.

[dbgtz]