Christians

[Mentor]

Look at all the people in the world, and look at all the selfless actions people do, firemen just random people on the street helping people in need, look at 9/11 countless people gave their lives to save others, I don't care what anyone says that's not "intelligent design" that's somthing more deeper. One of the reason god put us down here was to gain access to heaven through belief. If everyone knew a logical reason for god's existence then we wouldn't need to be on this plain...
To be honest I can just tell he's here. Odd but heh :p

I could list a few ape specices other than humans that do the same... Anyway god being the creator and omnisint, would already know the actions and choises, hence the tests all being pointless.

Natural desatsers like the sunamri, would have to be directly caused by god in the conseption. It caused suffering, and if thats gods aim he must be evil, not benevolent, and if thats so the diety in discussion cannot be god.

[RedStratocas]

Intelligent Design gets me mad. I dont need to explain hopefully.

I have no problem with people of faith, so dont get offended by this: Before hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, a conservative woman went on Fox News (I think it was Fox) and said that God was trying to punish the homosexuals who make up a great portion the French District in New Orleans. Ironically, after the storm, every part of the city was flooded except the French District. That cracked me up.

[Ezzie.]

If you read genesis adam's sin caused the human race to be "booted" out of garden of eden, pretty much heaven.

The reason we were given free will was to decide between what we will choose, we haven't earned the right to enter heaven, we must prove it, think of it as a test of faith.

The natural disasters all boil down to the adam and eve part of genesis, their sins lead us into earth as it is now, where we can feel pain. I will never deny that I am a chrstian I will be for the rest of my life, if i'm wrong? so what? I'd prefer to ascend into heaven knowing I believed in god than to not believe and suffer in hell for it. Also animals are gods creatures too. They dwell in heaven also.

It's not a question of who is right and wrong. It's what you believe. My dad before he died used to get whispers in his ear whilst walking to work and just told him to sit at a bench, and he looked at a statue right next to him and it had a phrase of great importance.
He also had a push to talk this woman, who was suffering with extreme depression, with my mum aswell they helped her through it for about a year, but she took ill and couldn't face the world anymore and took her life but that thing knew that pushed my dad to help her, gave her another year of her life with her son.

I'm afraid no amount of scientific proof will take me away from my religion although I do believe in the creation theory by darwin.

A few points: one day is not 24 hours universally, one of saturns days is 100 earths days i believe? so the people who say the creationism is a fad I believe are pretty dumb.

Look at a tiny seed, it's planted and say 20 years later it turns into a huge oak.

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Edit: to redstratocas, natural disasters are just natural, if god wanted to punish people he wouldn't do it in this life. He'd just send them off to hell...

I understand why people choose not to believe in god, there's so much pain the world and suffering, but alot of it is self bought on, ie world war 2 where the germans decided to bully, they bought murder and death to their own kind!

Going off track I think that the people who fought for world war 1 and 2 and all of the other battles that have happened in our history, theese people must have had somthing guiding them, to face the terror they had to face, you must have had to have a heart of gold.

[Axel]

I dont have any religion

[Jordan3]

So life only exists to make death better in Ezzie's opinion.

[Ezzie.]

That wasn't my opinion atall? Please give a valid reason for that?

[RedStratocas]

Edit: to redstratocas, natural disasters are just natural, if god wanted to punish people he wouldn't do it in this life. He'd just send them off to hell...

Well the person who wrote that believed God controlled the weather. I just found it hillarious, I dont believe what she does.

Thats actually another thing that confused me about some religion. Some people (not everyone, probably not even most) believe that god controls everything, such as weather, and he uses it to punish us. Some people even believe 9/11 was a warning from god. What confuses me about that kind of thing is that if he controls everything like that, why cant he control us from doing the wrong thing?

Again, that isnt everyone, just a question Ive always had twards people who believe that.

[0verRide]

Yes, i am Christian/Catholic

[Ezzie.]

People who believe god kills people for fun or some sick reason= idiots
People who think god will murder people who are homosexuals= it's a touchy subject but if there is any punishment for homosexuallity which i have no problem with is like purgatory like only spending a certain time of punishment if you get me?

Also I think the commandments need to be revised a bit. maybe made a bit longer ^_^

Also also God is kind of leaving us to fend for ourselves if you need me. You see in bruce almighty? "god" says one of the reasons he doesn't answer most prayers is because people can find the strength in themselves if they just looked into their hearts .

[Jordan3]

That wasn't my opinion atall? Please give a valid reason for that?

It seemed as though you were saying life is to prove yourself worthy of heaven, so basically that means we're living for a good death?